[spireitematt]

I'm confused now, i thought it was a lack of business acumen you had a issue with ? Either way the EU negotiating teams come from a very broad background,far more than the UKs. You know yourself why it can't ever be cross party. We've discussed it plenty on this echo chamber, that said i didn't realise hagues background was in law,or EU law like starmers.

I have an issue with the whole of the negotiating team. You send your strongest and best to negotiate which I don't think we have. It has to be cross party though the Tories can't do it on there own and there making a pig's ear of the whole thing while trying to put on a brave face. Hague is a good negotiator, you need people like Starmer and Thornberry doing the talks as well as Lib Dems, SNP etc.

It will be much,much more complicated than that,As the head of air france was pointing out earlier.


Jean-Marc Janaillac the boss of Air France has said for British Airlines to fly to the continent we have to accept European Court of Justice control.

More obfuscation. Again as you've been told many times on here,germany trades far,far more with the single market. Their business leaders have made it clear the integrity of the single market comes first. There won't be any special deal ffs,it would go against what the EU is all about.

This is why I dislike the EU. Countries should be allowed to do independent trade deals themselves with non-EU countries without having to go through the single market or EU rules.

More lies and nonsense. Spain have already confirmed UK citizens can stay,as have others. Its May thats playing that game. Many of those articles and treaties that won't apply are part of UK law. As starmer and others have pointed out the tories 'great repeal bill' is flawed and much of that will stay in place post brexit. Even mays hated ECJ will still have sway.

Spain have confirmed today that UK citizens can stay but no other country in the EU has confirmed yet. May is playing a game. Majority of EU law will become UK law because they can't debate hundred of thousands of separate laws in the commons as it would take ages to put through.

Irrelevant. Although hilariously the greenland negotiator of that warned the UK that what we were doing was crazy.

Technicality Greenland is sort of the in the EU as the citizens in Greenland qualify for Denmark citizenship. There is talk of Greenland looking at rejoining and so is Iceland. Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Turkey, Bosnia and Kosovo are wanting to join the EU. Turkey applied back in the late 80s but so far have only met 13 of the 35 requirements. Azerbaijan have also looked at joining the EU.

The UK has a veto on closer integration as a member of the EU. So please stop this pish.

It's not pish when the likes of Juncker and Verhofstadt keep going on about an ever closer union, a United Europe and a European Army.

If you are looking for an undemocratic state to slag off take a look at the UK. One country dominates the others and is due to drag all out of the EU whether they like it or not. The UK has more unelected politicians than all of the EU countries and the EU put together.

We need proportional representation in the UK. One country doesn't dominate the others, there is a Westminister bubble where they mainly care about London and forget about the rest of the UK, look at all the funding of projects it all goes down South, while the Midlands, North, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland get forgotten about unless there is an election. Parliament is elected the House of Lords is unelected and the House of Lords should either be abolished or become a 2nd chamber where they are voted in to represent the people. As for the EU elections they use proportional representation but we vote for the party and not for the candidate and MEP candidates are chosen by the party and not by the members of the party. The EU commission is unelected and the Governments of the countries put forward a commissioner and what the commissioner does is put forward laws with the other commissioners and then it gets put forward to the European Council and once it has passed the European Council it then goes to the EU Parliament to be debated or to be reformed or rejected. It's the same with how the EU presidents are chosen they are put on ballots and the MEPs vote on the presidents not the EU citizens.

If we stay in the EU and they create all these laws for us then what is the point of having a UK Parliament then?

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