[hibeejim21]

Using the Guardia Civil as thugs to beat up women and men, storm polling stations, steal ballot boxes and shoot at crowds injuring hundreds of people is illegal.

Madrid have made a pigs ear of this,with the monarch wading in doing nothing to calm the situation - quite the opposite. It will only lead things in one direction.

I was relatively neutral about catalonia's independence claim but if they declare independence now good on them. You can hardly blame them.