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(12-05-2017, 18:48)spireitematt Wrote:
(12-05-2017, 18:00)St Charles Owl Wrote: Corbyn is a disaster for Labour, he is unelectable!!  May knows this and she also knows this might be the one and only chance she has to actually win an election!!  Assuming that leaked manifesto is real then for me that would be the final nail in the Labour coffin as regards my vote, if I was able to vote!!  In the past I have mainly voted Labour but have also voted Tory and Lib Dem depending on the situation but Corbyn and that manifesto looks to me like something to take Britain back to the Winter of Discontent in the late 70s, and that is essentially what led to Thatcher gaining power!!  Of course we will have to wait to see how Labour intend to fund all these initiatives, as well as tackling the budget deficit in 5 years without there being a major impact on the economy.  Its very noble to make the highest earners pay more tax and to make companies that are successful pay more tax, but post Brexit I would think the last thing we want to do is add to the business tax companies have to pay!!

What's wrong with renationalising the railways again? Ticket prices on railways are too expensive, the trains are dirty and not kept clean and they are owned by German and French companies and those same companies put our ticket prices up to subsidise there own NATIONALISED railways to keep them going is that fair?

Our Energy companies are owned again by French and German companies and they put the prices sky high and people don't bother changing suppliers because there is no point as it would cost more money in the long run.

We have no industry anymore in Britain. Jobs are few and far between, there's far too many temporary jobs and zero hour contracts where the employee has no rights. How people meant to live off zero hour contracts? Yes there alright for Students or if someone wants a bit of extra cash but they don't work for people who have a mortgage and bills to play.

We've have foodbanks in Britain and they are on the rise.

Everyone is saying its going back to the 1970s but you do realise this will be done on a modern economy not the economy of 40 years ago. Look at the Scandinavian model they have a lot of what Labour is suggesting and they are light years ahead.

We can't keep going with austerity and Dickensian economics and keep making cuts to public infrastructure. Austerity is not working.

We live in a selfish society where everyone is thinking what they can get out of it, not what is best for everyone but themselves its the i'm alright Jack, sod you mentality. Where if its not affecting them then its not true and its not happening but when it finally does affect them they are outraged and it will affect them sooner or later.

Matt, I don't know how old you were but the railways now are far better in terms of just about every feature than they were when they were Government owned!!!!! The railways were a disaster when the Government controlled them and that is one of the reasons that they were privatized. Yes, prices need to be kept in check but thats a regulation issue, not a reason to privatize it again!! In the past year I have been on trains in Italy, France and the UK, and with regards to comfort, cleanliness and overall service there was very little to choose between them. Difficult to compare prices as the journeys I did were all different, but I didn't find any of them particularly expensive.

Out of curiosity, if the German and French railways are nationalized, how is a private French or German company who owns part of the UK rail network even involved or subsidizing the nationalized service in their own country?? The railways there are either private or Nationalized, which one is it??

Likewise with energy, when they were nationalized industries they were not efficient, had little investment and did not provide a great service. They were consistently at the mercy of Government Workers Unions and power outages or shortages were relatively common, there is no way the Government was going to ever be able to keep up with technological improvements in this industry let alone be able to pay for it!! Again, keeping check on prices is a matter of regulation.

As with all government initiatives and programmes, the problem is always how you pay for them. Other countries such as France have tax rates on individuals and companies that are significantly higher than the UKs, yet their higest rate of tax is the same as the UKs. They operate on the basis that everyone needs to pay for these services and that is reflected in theit tax rates. So the only way to really pay for these services is for the average guy in the UK to pay more tax and for the company they work for to pay more tax, if that is acceptable to the bulk of people in the Uk, then it could work, if it isn't then we will go back to the 60s/70s of industrial disputes and poor nationalized services.
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