I share similar sentiments Jim but the reality of 'drip feed success' is there for all to see and it's been there for a long time for all the 'lesser Scottish footie clubs' that edgie describes as a 'much of muchness' about them. My biggest irritation is watching the 'dross' that riddles the bottom of the SPL and their efforts to survive, season after season and we are not currently in that footie league!! Same view applies to Dundee United as well and the whole questionable structure of our top leagues - it's an old topic but I aint gonna 'go there' any more - previously well debated on this board.