21-11-2016, 22:46
(This post was last modified: 21-11-2016, 22:51 by St Charles Owl.)
(21-11-2016, 22:22)0762 Wrote:(21-11-2016, 21:39)St Charles Owl Wrote: Freedom of speech is still in place and being used rightly by many of the protesters. My point was that not all Trump supporters are racist bigots like him, nor are they "bad people", and not all of the protesters actually voted nor are they all "good people"!!! Its never one or the other, the bulk of things fall in the middle!!
As regards wars, I have no clue what you are suggesting??? What war have your family fought in that could be compared to this situation?? Are you seriously considering that the rest of the world should declare war on the US because Trump won the election?? If you are referring to WW2, then we didn't got to war with Hitler because he was a fascist nor because he was elected, we went to war with him because he invaded other countries!! Just because Trump said he might not accept the decision or that he suggested civil disorder does not mean we have to resort to those horrific tactics, two wrongs don't make a right!!
People will continue to protest as is their right but come January 20th Trump will be sworn in as President and there is no peaceful method that will stop that from happening.
And four wasted years will ensue during a period where the USA needs a fascist RW authoritarian government like a 'hole in the head'. And by the way, I know the reasons behind the war on Hitler from 1939 onwards dohhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I don't need a history lesson thanks very much and as for your wrong assumption to declare war on the USA? Ehhhhh????? How TF did you dream that up?? Mussolini, one of his Hitler's allies, was a fascist and so was General Franco - I won't bore you with further personal details/elaboration!! As Jim commented in a previous thread - Trump is a f#### imbecile, prob an actor and a dangerous man with fascist beliefs and tendencies. I'll worry when he marries up with the US armaments providers like the Rockefellers and wonder how the #### you ever ended up with another poor but dangerous American president who is full of shit and false promises. I hope Green Days dedicate a song to him with that specific title: False Promises!! The main point re fascism is that we've previously suffered from and many have fought against this poisonous philosophy in the past - AS HUMAN BEINGS WE JUST NEVER SEEM TO LEARN FROM PAST AND THE MORE WORRYING ASPECT IS THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO DISAPPEAR!!
Comparing Trump to Mussolini or Franco is tenuous at best!!! Franco took power by force using the military and Mussolini, who like Hitler was initially voted into power, then created a police state and dismantled democracy completely. Maybe you had relations in the Spanish Civil War, but we as a country were never in that and we went to war with Italy after they sided with Germany, which saw my Grandfather die in Rimini. We simply will not need to resort to violence or war to eventually remove him.
Trump may have fascist leanings, and certainly uses that rhetoric but to suggest he will start to implement policies similar to these three is way off the mark in my opinion!! If he tried to do what these three did then the US constitution and all within it would simply allow him to be removed from office!! Trump will not do 75% of what he said he would do and a lot of it would either be simply impossible or would take longer than a 4 year term to demolish. Lets also not remember that in the next two years a lot of senate and house seats will go to the polls, which if the democrats are serious about continuing the pressure on him they will put up some good candidates and take back control of one or other of the two chambers, that in itself will stop Trump destroying the country just like it was used by Republicans to stop Obama in his second term.
(21-11-2016, 22:41)hibeejim21 Wrote: So there is very little to no proof at all she actively supported or campaigned for remain. Theresa may didn't support remain,far from it. She behaved like the deceitful snake that she is.
Corbyn on the other hand for all his faults was honest about his euroscepticism but still campaigned to stay in for the greater benefit. There is no comparison with him and may.
I agree, as I said she supported it in private but not in public because of her looking to the future, and by that I mean her future, not ours!! I never said Corbyn didn't campaign, I said he was criticized like others for not being vociferous enough in his opposition to Brexit nor to the scurrilous claims being made by the leave campaign.