[Devongone]

It's not that I don't think it is happening. The rise is because we are looking for a rise and reporting a rise. Most of the time most people (including the authorities) don't give a flying fuque about immigrant attacks.

Now it is newsworthy, now we hear, only now does it become real. The referendum just gave a new voice to the attackers, new crap to spout as they kick in your face.

Where I am is lovely, but go to Plymouth - some of it is Heanor on Sea. By the way every taxi in the city is driven by an Eastern European. We have lots of migrant workers.

As for the theory that immigration won the referendum ....... Sunderland has relatively few immigrants or migrants and voted Leave in droves. Certainly immigration had an effect but it wasn't a UKIP result. Remain should have won easily. It ain't Corbyn's fault they didn't. They shouldn't have picked Sterling. Get it?

The truth is that "freedom of movement" and individual nationhood are impossible bedfellows, and the EU will one day have to face that fact. Germany can decide to admit 1,000,000 migrants. A couple of years down the line it grants them citizenship. They are then free to move anywhere within the EU. So Germany is making a unilateral decision on behalf of the other 26 nations. The moment it opens its door it is opening everyone's door. Not to over-door matters, but that is federalism by the back door.

And Dancing, Boris and Nigel is an impossible combination. Nigel isn't in Parliament. To be honest I doubt the Tories will have the sense to make him leader anyway. They never go for the favourite.

[Dancingwilldoit]

We'll wait and see Dev, with Labour in turmoil anything could happen. Boris expected Cameron to take all the crap before he stepped in when the waters were calmer. Cameron was having none of it and Boris is now bricking himself. Its amazing what difference a few days makes. If the vote was held again tomorrow I bet any money you like the result would be reversed.

[hibeejim21]

Boris wants single market

Carswell wants single market

EU say ok on terms that are preferential to Paris and berlin....and the four freedoms.

Now go sell that to your disillusioned.

[bluepooch]

If we have a second referendum i like the vast majority will vote the same.can we have a best of 3 if remain win ? Its ridiculous.
Im.absolutely disgusted at the behaviour of the remainers
They have well and truly thrown the dummy out.

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The person who spoke most sense out of the tories was Andrea Leadsom.I could just about tolerate her .

[spireitematt]

Now I said this on the other thread in the abstract chat. I'm Eurosceptic but I voted remain solely on economic reasons and what I've read in the past few days sounds scary. Now if there was another EU referendum I would vote leave based on what I've read and I think a few other people would.

I'm left wing I support the Labour Party and have been a member for 6 years even though I'm starting to feel a little disillusioned by them at the minute but I believe in democracy and the people have spoken and we now have to respect the wishes of the people even though Parliament can vote this down if they agree that it could put the country into economic turmoil. Now I'm in the 18-25 bracket and a lot of people I know didn't vote because A) They didn't care B) They didn't think it would affect them C) Couldn't be arsed to vote D) Didn't vote because they were so sure remain would win.

Now no one across the country actually thought the Leave camp would actually win the bookies were against them the experts everybody but they pulled it off. Now the one's who didn't vote are now complaining they didn't get a chance well I'm sorry but if you were registered to vote you should have bloody used it instead of now complaining about the result on social media, signing petitions and going on demo's because what they actually are doing they are protesting against democracy A lot of other people think we are being pulled away from Europe by tug boats and being put out to sea in the middle of nowhere. We left a political union we have not left Europe. It's likely we will still be in the common market with free movement.

Do people really think we will stop trading with Europe. Europe export more goods to our country than we do to them, take a look around you will see Audi's, Mercs, Aldi's, Lidl, European wines, European food do you honestly think they will stop selling it to us? They need us and we can start creating industry again. But leaving the EU we can still trade with them in the common market but we can also create trade agreements with Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia, China, Japan. We can't create trade agreements with those countries when we are in the EU. The EU have spent 7 years trying to get a trade agreement with Canada. So all this talk about the economy in the shit its been 7 days since we voted it will take 2 years to workout negotiations.

[Dancingwilldoit]

Matt,
You make same presumptive mistake that Boris has made - "the EU needs us". What bollocks, it simply doesn't. On what do you base this argument? Lidl and Aldi will be upset or VW Merc and BM wont be able to sell us their cars? Why not? It will make no difference to them unless we start adding import taxes and then the fun will really start. Do you honestly believe the EU will collapse or will allow us free trade without strings - and a lot of them?
We will still end up paying money into the EU for a trade agreement and still end up with free movement of people. So what exactly has the out vote won? Sorry I forgot, "our sovereignty".
Just because we think we are important doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same. America are now saying No Investment in the UK or Europe. Its a simple fact that USA and countries like China and Germany control world markets. We don't matter, we are insignificant, we are no longer a world power. The world will carry on without us. As part of the EU at least we had a voice even if it wasn't always heard. Sometimes it was when we made sense. Who is going to listen know?

[bluepooch]

Now I said this on the other thread in the abstract chat. I'm Eurosceptic but I voted remain solely on economic reasons and what I've read in the past few days sounds scary. Now if there was another EU referendum I would vote leave based on what I've read and I think a few other people would.

I'm left wing I support the Labour Party and have been a member for 6 years even though I'm starting to feel a little disillusioned by them at the minute but I believe in democracy and the people have spoken and we now have to respect the wishes of the people even though Parliament can vote this down if they agree that it could put the country into economic turmoil. Now I'm in the 18-25 bracket and a lot of people I know didn't vote because A) They didn't care B) They didn't think it would affect them C) Couldn't be arsed to vote D) Didn't vote because they were so sure remain would win.

Now no one across the country actually thought the Leave camp would actually win the bookies were against them the experts everybody but they pulled it off. Now the one's who didn't vote are now complaining they didn't get a chance well I'm sorry but if you were registered to vote you should have bloody used it instead of now complaining about the result on social media, signing petitions and going on demo's because what they actually are doing they are protesting against democracy   A lot of other people think we are being pulled away from Europe by tug boats and being put out to sea in the middle of nowhere. We left a political union we have not left Europe. It's likely we will still be in the common market with free movement.

Do people really think we will stop trading with Europe. Europe export more goods to our country than we do to them, take a look around you will see Audi's, Mercs, Aldi's, Lidl, European wines, European food do you honestly think they will stop selling it to us? They need us and we can start creating industry again. But leaving the EU we can still trade with them in the common market but we can also create trade agreements with Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia, China, Japan. We can't create trade agreements with those countries when we are in the EU. The EU have spent 7 years trying to get a trade agreement with Canada. So all this talk about the economy in the shit its been 7 days since we voted it will take 2 years to workout negotiations.

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Thats brilliant .Couldnt have put it better myself

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WE ARE STILL PART OF EUROPE.!

[hibeejim21]

Its economic fact that we need the EU more than we need them, our exports are heavily based on goods bought from the EU and assembled in the UK for instance. Our service/financial industries are key to the economy but now we have a scenario where the EUs priority is to head off le pen and her fascists in france so expect the french to get the cream in any renegotiations. Hollande is doing his best already to pick up UK banking business.


Have a look at what this guy is saying,he knows his stuff.

Alex White ‏@AlexWhite1812 · 16h

EIU Brexit Take
Brexit has plunged the UK into political, economic and market turmoil. We expect this turmoil to be sustained

[Devongone]

Hibee your final sentence should be re-written "We expect to sustain this turmoil." Turmoil is a great story and they can profit from it too. Let's go Brand Turmoil!

A week on and FTSE's higher than pre-referendum.

I don't know what will happen except I was alive and sentient before we finally got into the Common Market. Things were fine then. We had fuque-ups and squabbles, made money and lost it too. We'll be fine, or not, as we would have been inside the EU. The future is uncertain as it would have been inside that corrupt bureaucracy. The future is always uncertain - that's why it's the future.

The EU might thrive or not without us, but they are losing one of their very few successful economies. And here's few more observations .....

In the strange world of the Labour Party no one is saying that the leader of the Labour Remain campaign did a crap job. Is it let's kick the crap out of Alan Johnson time?

It is interesting to note that no one in the EU seems to be wondering what is so wrong with that organisation that one of its most significant members has voted to leave. Could that in itself illustrate what is wrong?

Why does no one in Scotland realise that wanting independence and trying to get into the EU are inimical aims? Not only would Scotland be handing over its newly won sovereignty to the EU, but also it could not possibly be a member. All 27 countries have to vote for it. Spain never ever will unless a Catalan Party could win a general election there or find a way to force a referendum.  Independence is absolutely viable for Scotland, but its first act shouldn't be to tie itself to a nanny EU.

One of the most likely outcomes of negotiations with the EU is that it won't be us who can't formulate a position but the EU. With 27 members it is very possible that it will be unable to reach and sustain formal negotiating positions as regards the Single Market, the default position will be that we will be outside it, but in a more than sustainable position. Last night when Crispin Blunt MP tried quietly to explain this on Newsnight, Evan Davies ( who I Like!) virtually screamed over him and tried to cross-question him over his opinion of Boris. NOW THAT illustrates why neither side in the campaign itself never managed to say what they may like to have said in a way the people could have understood.

If the Tories want someone who will negotiate in Brussels and won't be fazed by the demands of a tiny country like Luxembourg and the the touchy-feely Mr Juncker they ought to go for Liam Fox as leader. Tories don't have the sense though.

[spireitematt]

Matt,
You make same presumptive mistake that Boris has made - "the EU needs us". What bollocks, it simply doesn't. On what do you base this argument? Lidl and Aldi will be upset or VW Merc and BM wont be able to sell us their cars? Why not? It will make no difference to them unless we start adding import taxes and then the fun will really start. Do you honestly believe the EU will collapse or will allow us free trade without strings - and a lot of them?
We will still end up paying money into the EU for a trade agreement and still end up with free movement of people. So what exactly has the out vote won? Sorry I forgot, "our sovereignty".
Just because we think we are important doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same. America are now saying No Investment in the UK or Europe. Its a simple fact that USA and countries like China and Germany control world markets. We don't matter, we are insignificant, we are no longer a world power. The world will carry on without us. As part of the EU at least we had a voice even if it wasn't always heard. Sometimes it was when we made sense. Who is going to listen know?

But it works both ways Dancing we can put import taxes on the stuff we export to Europe. Just look at the markets look at countries who are in the Eurozone. Sooner or later the Eurozone will break up the EU because one currency for all was never going to work. Italy are on the verge of collapse and apparently need a £40 billion bail out, look at Portugal, Spain, Greece they might need another bail out soon. They said by 2019 that all countries must take the Euro to stay in the EU that means we would probably have been pushed to have it. Look at Spain, Portugal, Greece, Ireland. Every country in the EU has mass high levels of youth unemployment and unemployment. The people of Greece voted against austerity in a referendum and the EU ignored them and went ahead with it anyway. They made Ireland vote twice on the Lisbon treaty till they got the result they wanted how is that democratic?

After the war it firstly started off as the European coal and steel community then it became the European Economic Community (Common Market) then it became the European community and now its the European union. How long before it becomes the United States of Europe? and the whole of Europe is being ruled by Brussels. People's parents and Grandparents didn't fight two World Wars so we could be ruled by Europe they fought for liberty, freedom and most important of all democracy.

Looking back I was scaremongered into voting remain because the remain camp pretty much talked about how it would be Armageddon and the whole World would collapse around us. There has been lies and scaremongering on both sides.