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Perhaps if other Scottish clubs had helped with the co-efficient , then maybe we would still have direct entry into the Europa at least. Perhaps that was the reason for no invite. Just saying likes. Wink
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(03-03-2016, 18:36)supercooper Wrote: Perhaps if other Scottish clubs had helped with the co-efficient , then maybe we would still have direct entry into the Europa at least. Perhaps that was the reason for no invite. Just saying likes. Wink

When have rangers helped with the co-efficient ffs  Laugh ?
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hibeejim21 Wrote:
supercooper Wrote:Perhaps if other Scottish clubs had helped with the co-efficient , then maybe we would still have direct entry into the Europa at least. Perhaps that was the reason for no invite. Just saying likes. Wink

When have rangers helped with the co-efficient ffs  Laugh ?

Since 80% of it is years we weren't playing in Europe not currently.  However since Rangers stopped playing in Europe the coefficient has plummeted:



[table][tr][th]Scotland's declining Uefa ranking[/th]
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[tr][td]2005 - Scotland 10th[/td]
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[tr][td]2011 - Scotland 15th[/td]
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[tr][td]2016 - Scotland 25th[/td]
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[/table]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35041144
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#64
(03-03-2016, 18:32)0762 Wrote:
(03-03-2016, 17:26)hibeejim21 Wrote: We should just give up on european football then. Why bother putting our best teams forward ?

Atlantic League resurrection then hibeejim? Whistle  But didn't Celtic and Rangers want to be the only possible Scottish footie club participants at the time it was being mooted. Of course Rangers were 'in a different place/situation' at that time eh. 

I'm not sure they ever "wanted" to be the only Scottish teams in it but were probably put forward as definites for it to be a success.  I am sure that a league of say 20-24 teams would potentially include a couple of others as well.
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#65
St Charles Owl Wrote:
0762 Wrote:
hibeejim21 Wrote:We should just give up on european football then. Why bother putting our best teams forward ?

Atlantic League resurrection then hibeejim? Whistle  But didn't Celtic and Rangers want to be the only possible Scottish footie club participants at the time it was being mooted. Of course Rangers were 'in a different place/situation' at that time eh. 

I'm not sure they ever "wanted" to be the only Scottish teams in it but were probably put forward as definites for it to be a success.  I am sure that a league of say 20-24 teams would potentially include a couple of others as well.

Only in Scotland is the size of a club determined by the ego of the fans: two of the teams in Europe with biggest fan bases invited to cross border league surprise surprise.
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#66
I'm sure the English FA give European entry status to the Capital Cup winners, unlike the Scottish League Cup winners, and it has not done their competition any harm - the possible Euro footie participation is indeed a 'carrot' for a lotta non Premier League clubs to take it seriously and try to win it.
Also the poor state of Scottish footie has been a negatively evolving one and I'd argue the decline goes as far back as 15-20 years ago. Study the Scottish European footie stats and you'll see there's been a gradual decline to the point where we celebrate just winning one initial Euro quali match (barring Celtic with their dollops of money!) these days and all our participating clubs now play quali matches - no more direct qualification because of the consistent losses! How do we redress the prob? Previously discussed in depth, that's a searching question with no easy answers!
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#67
Aye it's just a pity that Gretna and QOS didn't have the finances like Celtic and the then Rangers to finance a tilt at Europe to help the co- efficient,cooper you are a total baw sack you know that outside both those clubs that the chances of making it into Europe are very difficult now,those times have sailed and Scottish fitba is a long way past it's best days,we'll see just how The Rangers fare if they qualify for the qualifiers in the near future.
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#68
Doh
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#69
(03-03-2016, 18:55)0762 Wrote: I'm sure the English FA give European entry status to the Capital Cup winners, unlike the Scottish League Cup winners, and it has not done their competition any harm - the possible Euro footie participation is indeed a 'carrot' for a lotta non Premier League clubs to take it seriously and try to win it.
Also the poor state of Scottish footie has been a negatively evolving one and I'd argue the decline goes as far back as 15-20 years ago. Study the Scottish European footie stats and you'll see there's been a gradual decline to the point where we celebrate just winning one initial Euro quali match (barring Celtic with their dollops of money!) these days and all our participating clubs now play quali matches - no more direct qualification because of the consistent losses! How do we redress the prob? Previously discussed in depth, that's a searching question with no easy answers!

There is a whole debate in England about the cup competitions and unfortunately due to the fact that 6-8 teams are chasing the top 4 places, and 8-10 teams are potentially fighting relegation from the prem, both the LC and FAC have seen reserve teams put out by Prem teams deep into the competition!!  But as we stand both winners get Europa League places the following season.
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(03-03-2016, 18:39)hibeejim21 Wrote:
(03-03-2016, 18:36)supercooper Wrote: Perhaps if other Scottish clubs had helped with the co-efficient , then maybe we would still have direct entry into the Europa at least. Perhaps that was the reason for no invite. Just saying likes. Wink

When have rangers helped with the co-efficient ffs  Laugh ?

You really don't do yourself any favours at times.
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