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Violent scenes at derby between Red Star Belgrade and Partizan Belgrade delays game and leaves 35 police officers injured

• Belgrade derby between Red Star and Partizan in Serbia is marred by crowd violence that saw kick-off delayed
  
• The violence at the Red Star Stadium led to 35 police officers being injured, the Serbian Interior Ministry said
  
• Amid the chaos, 41 fans were arrested, including some who threw stun grenades at police inside the stadium
  
• Police stopped a van on its way towards the stadium which they said had been 'loaded with rocks and bricks'
  
• Game kicked off 45 minutes late as police cleared the north terrace which they had been forced to flee from
  

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No no, you're getting it all wrong hibeejim21, it's Rangers who are the REAL bad boys, singing their nasty songs and waving their life-endangering banners.



Edit: F*ck me, there's been more violent behaviour by Motherwell fans in the last 5 months than there has Rangers fans in the previous 5 years. Tynie needs to start taking his medication again.

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Panathinaikos vs Olympiacos overshadowed by riots as fireworks, flares and chairs are thrown at players in bitter Greek rivalry

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Aye, but Rangers fans sing a song. Ban them!




Edit2: Take a look at some of those photos. The Old Firm derby is Playschool in comparison.

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SKY pays the scottish clubs a pittance for tv rights, If there were only two Old Firm games per season I doubt anyone at Sky would really notice, and I genuinely can't see it having such a significant impact on their income that they would make changes to the deal. As evidenced by the farcical circumstances surrounding rangers going down the drain.

Anyway with splits,play offs etc a 16 club league could provide 4 old firm games anyway.

I don't really see the need for the scottish government to ban the old firm games either no matter how distasteful some of the antics surrounding it are,ffs salmond called rangers 'part of the fabric of our society' not that long ago. Besides their are similar types of games throughout europe that are just as bad i.e. holland,italy and turkey.

I absolutely disagree with that view. The law in Scotland is clear on this issue and I don't see why the Scottish Gov should concede proper control and firm policing of a fixture that has been out of control for a long time before it thankfully disappeared - notice the healthy difference at the moment!!! The indicators coming out of these clubs, and particularly antagonistic Rangers FC and their fans, are that it will be more venomous than anything we've seen before (if that is indeed possible!) - that is unacceptable! Also you conveniently ignore the huge social impact of this fixture that directly and indirectly affects a helluvah lot more people than you'd realise hibeejim. I also suggest you read some publications and other sources (Nil by Mouth is only one of many!) that highlight the historical victims of this vile fixture and indeed the many fans/victims who have tragically died for effectively just supporting a football team - these figures are a shocking indictment that show up this fixture for what it truly represents and the game/sport pales into insignificance after considering these facts - the sport has been disgracefully violated!!  IMO other bad fixtures in Europe have no relevance to how we should effectively deal with this fixture once and for all in our own country - no going soft on it as we've seen before. For example, no sectarian marketing of goods should be strictly imposed and no questions asked and that's only one of many sanctions I'd like to see imposed (+ a zero tolerance policy) FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME IN SCOTLAND AND ULTIMATELY TO CLEAN IT UP AND PROTECT LOTSA PEOPLE/FANS WHO ARE SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTED AS A RESULT OF A LOSING SCORE AFTER SUCH A MATCH WHEN CERTAIN CRETONS CAN'T HANDLE IT!! THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE AND DON'T CONDONE IT WITH REFERENCE TO BAD FIXTURES IN EUROPE!   

I'm not disagreeing with you mate,just pointing out that our own former first ministers public comments regarding rangers do not meet with what you want to happen. He even intervened with HMRC on their behalf. If rangers are a part of 'the fabric of our society' then theres no way this fixture is ever going to be under threat. We live in the real world after all.

And i think it is relevant to mention other european fixtures.... several of which are 'vile fixtures' too. 

They are reasonable points to make in this debate hibeejim but Alex Salmond is no longer the 1st minister anyway and his comment at the time was no more than an opinion that a huge number of people in Scotland wholeheartedly disagreed with because of the social damage to the fabric of their society, something Alex Salmond likely never realised unless he personally scrutinised the hard evidence that stands up against this poisonous fixture that does indeed ruin peoples' lives on occasions - fact!! I wonder what the female opinion (eg Nicola Sturgeon) would be re the same issue eh - I'd bet good money it would not be the same view! My main point to emphasise re referring to a vile fixture in Euro football is the fact that any of the mentioned vile fixtures does not justify condoning or accepting what happens in Glasgow before and after a poisonous Rangers v Celtic match and, in 21st century Scotland, these moronic people (I won't describe them as football fans because they are not footie fans in the true sense of the sport that we enjoy!) either move on with the times or they should be hunted down in one of the biggest clean up campaigns that you'll ever witness!! And the clubs should be unceremoniously forced into the fray as well with appropriate sanctions and changed practises. I've listened to many of the pro-OF fixture arguments before and many protagonists try to dilute the debate with their football argument - football interest, the good of the game etc etc. THIS ARGUMENT IS FLAWED WHEN ONE SITS DOWN AND LOOKS CLOSELY AT THE HARD EVIDENCE, THE HISTORICAL FACTUAL EVIDENCE, THAT COVERS YEARS OF ANGST, INTIMIDATION, PERSONAL ASSAULTS, PERSONAL DEBILITATING INJURIES, AND DEATH TO MANY UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE/FANS INCLUDING FOLK WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL WHATSOEVER!! The huge figures will seriously astound you and I'm not exaggerating one jot. I regard the convenient omission of all the relative assaults, injuries and fatalities + relative hospital admissions, that are directly and indirectly associated with this poisonous fixture, as one of the biggest cover-ups in modern day Scotland and that is mainly because of the intractable nature of this problem, a problem that many people with vested interest want to sweep under the carpet and ignore - fact!! Lastly, the people who are at the front end of these issues that I've described, the Police, social workers, hospital front line staff - they don't want to ignore it, they'd luv to see this problem hammered into the ground because many of them have witnessed years of the worst side of this shit!! Bear that in mind eh!

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THIS ARGUMENT IS FLAWED WHEN ONE SITS DOWN AND LOOKS CLOSELY AT THE HARD EVIDENCE, THE HISTORICAL FACTUAL EVIDENCE, THAT COVERS YEARS OF ANGST, INTIMIDATION, PERSONAL ASSAULTS, PERSONAL DEBILITATING INJURIES, AND DEATH TO MANY UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE/FANS INCLUDING FOLK WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL WHATSOEVER!! The huge figures will seriously astound you and I'm not exaggerating one jot.

Yes you are. You're over-exaggerating on a monumentally stupid level. I'm beginning to think the problem here doesn't lie with the Old Firm, or Rangers, or even the perceived West of Scotland bias.

The problem here is a hatred that your brain doesn't understand. And it really should understand, as that's exactly where it comes from.

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THIS ARGUMENT IS FLAWED WHEN ONE SITS DOWN AND LOOKS CLOSELY AT THE HARD EVIDENCE, THE HISTORICAL FACTUAL EVIDENCE, THAT COVERS YEARS OF ANGST, INTIMIDATION, PERSONAL ASSAULTS, PERSONAL DEBILITATING INJURIES, AND DEATH TO MANY UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE/FANS INCLUDING FOLK WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL WHATSOEVER!! The huge figures will seriously astound you and I'm not exaggerating one jot.

Yes you are. You're over-exaggerating on a monumentally stupid level. I'm beginning to think the problem here doesn't lie with the Old Firm, or Rangers, or even the perceived West of Scotland bias.

The problem here is a hatred that your brain doesn't understand. And it really should understand, as that's exactly where it comes from.

You are totally unfamiliar with the information and stats that cover this topic. Hence the selective choice of just dismissing the criticism out of hand (lets avoid the main issues eh!!!) and the easy option of uttering the usual hatred insinuation etc - highly defensive and embarrassing with no corroboration whatsoever because you most certainly cannot corroborate your remark. It's a common response from ill-informed parties who can't get their heads around real factual information and stick resolutely to their own biased agenda - therefore try to distort the argument eh! It's a pity that certain affected parties and families cannot view ignorant threads like your one so that they can rip into your comments big-time with utter contempt!! Just reveal your true agenda - cut the crap and show a bit of honesty re what is most certainly a very delicate subject that lotsa OF fans avoid like the plague for obvious reasons! Defending the indefensible is downright embarrassing and you should be embarrassed!!

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There you are pontificating about me dismissing the 'stats' and 'information'.

You haven't provided any.

How many people have died? How many people have been assaulted? How many people's lives have been ruined? How does those figures compare to other European countries and the football matches that take place there? How much shite are you talking?

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He does this all the time, goes off on a little tangent stating it as fact with nothing to back up his ridiculous claims. It's absolutetly frightening that one man can hold that much hate and rage for a football club.

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Yikes I thought that was me too,looks like you've taken the mantle 0762.

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Exeter, Warburton's big move was the signing of a striker named Waghorn. Didn't our officials observe this lad at La Manga during our pre-season prep game v Wigan and he had a good game against our defence and that was well before Rangers made any move for the lad???????? An opportunity missed? Of course it was!!!!! But that's Hibs in a nutshell!! Like many other sceptical Hibs fans, I regard Hibs as one of the fall guys of Scottish football and I don't see that situation changing any time soon!! Young family members in my family group view it the same way and no f####g wonder!!! NO MATTER WHAT WARBURTON ACHIEVED DURING THE PRE-SEASON, WE HAD LOTSA PRE-SEASON PREP TIME TO BE WELL PREPARED AND WE SHOULD BE MUCH CLOSER TO RFC IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP AT THIS STAGE OF THE SEASON AND PRESSURISING THEM IN A SHIT SCOTTISH FOOTIE LEAGUE CALLED THE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!! WE DON'T EVEN CURRENTLY OCCUPY SECOND POSITION AND NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT FALKIRK ARE A BETTER TEAM/CLUB THAN HIBS FC!!!!!!!!!!! It's high time a lotta unsuspecting Hibs fans finally woke up to reality re our current position as a reputable football club that is accountable on the field of play!

Just watched the highlights for yesterdays game and Waghorns quick feet for his second were brilliant. As you said we missed a chance there.  

Also the run from Tavernier for his goal was excellent especially when you see where he eventually picked the ball up. Another missed opportunity. 

Must be nice to sign players and find they don't go straight to the treatment table 

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Yikes I thought that was me too,looks like you've taken the mantle 0762.

Keep your head down Fred 

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Yikes I thought that was me too,looks like you've taken the mantle 0762.

Taken up the mantle Fredster? Lol! Not really! This pair of loons know all about the black history attached to the OF match (and their own club - the Manchester riots anybody?????) and cannot disguise that fact. It's a nice research study to throw eggs full in their faces!!  For starters, I'd suggest visiting the charity, Nil by Mouth, where lotsa info will be picked up on the social ramifications of bigotry and the post-OF match effects on lotsa people. They could possibly even pick up book titles/publications that are fully dedicated to many of the victims of OF violence and aggression. Then lets move on to the archived A&E records of the Glasgow Royal Infirmary Hospital and inspect dated post match records when areas of Glasgow were commonly described as WORSE THAN BEIRUT ON A BAD DAY!!! Now these records are very tasty in terms of the huge numbers of casualties (many life-threatening injuries and others) inundating this NHS hospital (not the only one either!) - the records are not fictional as I'm sure this pair of tossers would like them to be! Then visit the archived press reports of the likes of the Glasgow Evening Times (and others) and study the huge number of recorded post-OF match incidents/anecdotes and particularly those attended by the Police/Ambulance on a Saturday night - assaults, stabbings and some fatalities all thrown in the OF mix of drunken violence and bigotry on a grand scale!! If they are so interested in the subject and corroborating their ill-informed insinuations, then let them do the work as the subsequent info will reveal and endorse all that has been described in my previous threads. Lastly, what a pair of f####g jokers anyway. They are fans from a football club that lost all credibility a long time ago and they have the gall to come on this respectable board uttering a lotta ill-informed shit - they were well in on the act with their corrupt football club and forfeited all respect and credibility a long time ago - just study some of their past stupid comments related to that fiasco! Their stupid one-line threads more or less condemn their status as so called respectable fans, huhhhhh!! They clearly have their own shitty little biased, aggressive agenda and would be well-advised to f####k off back to the blue cage/forum where they belong in their own comfort zone!! Or maybe it's time to pick up their family details and lets pass on some of their shitty little childish threads to some of the female members of their household - that'll waken them up to the realities of life itself!!

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He does this all the time, goes off on a little tangent stating it as fact with nothing to back up his ridiculous claims. It's absolutetly frightening that one man can hold that much hate and rage for a football club.

You're right. He has absolutely no idea of numbers or statistics. He would have produced them, but unfortunately for him they simply don't exist.

His opinion is nothing more than a figment of a hate-fuelled imagination running wild.