The Takeover Thread

Salopbaggie · (This post was last modified: 13-07-2015, 21:21 by Salopbaggie.)

(13-07-2015, 20:50)BaggyBomber Wrote:
(13-07-2015, 20:30)Salopbaggie Wrote: Its pretty much a fruitless debate because the pro JP camp can point to what DID happen and justify their argument by well we are a well run "financially" club which I do not think anyone can argue with.

The anti JP camp can and will argue what might have been and as it didn't happen it is pure speculation, with no evidence either way.

The only other fact we can be sure of is this "lifelong fan" is going to walk away with more than a £100 million pounds profit he will have made from the club.

Does that sound like he ran it as a football club or a money making venture? I will leave that to the debating team
If the Club should sell for the sort of figure being spoken of that would surely be a mark of the Chairman's successful leadership, wouldn't it? Would you rather he'd been unsuccessful?

I was not going to get drawn in, hence my neutral remarks if you read them carefully. But why does it have to be so black and white with some of you?

Who knows how successful or not we might have been if JP had spent a little of the money. Your comment about would I rather him be unsuccessful is a little silly I am afraid and deserves a silly answer.

I just wish he was not so successful and the club was more successful or put another way I would be happy with him taking that level of profit if we did not face a relegation battle year on year (yes bar two before anyone says different).

BaggyBomber · 13-07-2015, 21:24

Did you not expect someone to answer you as you did not want to get drawn in?

".....spent a little of the money" - which "money" are we talking of?

drewks · 13-07-2015, 22:15

...changing the theme from The Great JP Debate (in a cinema near you soon), news regarding this takeover has literally stopped in the last week.

Any ideas why? When is it expected to be finalised?

Salopbaggie · 13-07-2015, 23:27

(13-07-2015, 21:24)BaggyBomber Wrote: Did you not expect someone to answer you as you did not want to get drawn in?

".....spent a little of the money" - which "money" are we talking of?

What I meant by not being drawn in was, my comments were neither positive or negative, just making the point that it is a fruitless debate as there can be no resolution to it. Both camps believe they are right to a varying level, but we will never know if JP had spent a "little more of the money" from the extra profit gained from the new TV deal, if he may have been even more successful. Wink

BaggyBomber · 14-07-2015, 00:25

(13-07-2015, 23:27)Salopbaggie Wrote:
(13-07-2015, 21:24)BaggyBomber Wrote: Did you not expect someone to answer you as you did not want to get drawn in?

".....spent a little of the money" - which "money" are we talking of?

What I meant by not being drawn in was, my comments were neither positive or negative, just making the point that it is a fruitless debate as there can be no resolution to it. Both camps believe they are right to a varying level, but we will never know if JP had spent a "little more of the money" from the extra profit gained from the new TV deal, if he may have been even more successful.

It's "a fruitless debate" in your words but you still push on to suggest the Chairman should have spent a "little more of the money". Which money? As far as I recall, the c£14million profit declared for last year was the most profit we have declared in JP's time. The revised, substantially increased, TV income does not commence until next season and all that extra income will not necessarily translate to profit, as you seem to think. Costs will increase and other clubs will have extra income with which to compete against us.

I have been supporting the Baggies and attending matches for over sixty years. In that time, I cannot recall an Albion dynasty that has been as progressive and successful as JP's. I'm not just talking about on the pitch here. If you can, just recall what the Club was when JP came in to what it is now.

4evaabaggie · 14-07-2015, 01:24

Not quite sixty years myself about forty two, but yes JP has taken us a long way, I am not saying he has been perfect and that maybe we could have spent more but I remember some very dark Times, he has bought us along way with a structure that has preserved our future, and I for one will always be grateful. To me he has been a messiah. If the takeover goes thorough, then the king is dead long live the king. 4Eva Albion, 4Eva a baggie.

Salopbaggie · 14-07-2015, 01:24

No Baggy I am just saying that it is a fruitless debate because we will never know what would have happened if he had.

I am not saying he should have or he shouldn't, just he didn't so we will never know what would have happened if he had. Which is what renders it a fruitless debate.

You are certainly correct that this has been one of the best dynasty's (10 years behind you) and I have a lot of both respect and gratitude for what JP has done for the club. The only other I could think of was as the time of Giles/Atkinson, though those times were looked on through rose coloured glasses Smile

BaggyBomber

(14-07-2015, 01:24)Salopbaggie Wrote: No Baggy I am just saying that it is a fruitless debate because we will never know what would have happened if he had.

I am not saying he should have or he shouldn't, just he didn't so we will never know what would have happened if he had. Which is what renders it a fruitless debate.

You are certainly correct that this has been one of the best dynasty's (10 years behind you) and I have a lot of both respect and gratitude for what JP has done for the club. The only other I could think of was as the time of Giles/Atkinson, though those times were looked on through rose coloured glasses

I agree we have had other good, perhaps great, times under, as you cite, Giles and Atkinson and I would add Buckingham and Hagan. However, I felt those times came along, to an extent by happy happenstance and would only be, perhaps, fleeting. I never really thought anything substantial was going on to the infrastructure. Albion, love it as we do, has always seemed happy leaving the future to kismet. I remember a Board member, many years ago quoted as saying something to the effect that it didn't really matter to them whether we were in one division or another, we'd be alright.

Well, I felt, definitely within a couple of years of his chairmanship that JP didn't operate that way. His was a business, root and branch change and set-up of the whole Club and, in my opinion, with a bit of a wobble after losing Woy and Dan Ashworth, it has been eminently successful. In a football world that has changed out of all recognition since I saw my first first team match in 1953, JP, should he go, will leave our Club in very good order and I, for my part, will say enjoy the money you have made doing it, Jeremy. Albion has been, and is, a very significant part of my life.

silverbaggie · 15-07-2015, 09:49

POTENTIAL WARNING

It's being reported that the potential investors/purchasers of Aston Villa led by Paul Smith have now pulled out!!!

We understand that the consortium negotiating a possible purchase of the Albion are most likely to be Chinese.

Some weeks ago there was talk that an unnamed Chinese group were trying to purchase Villa ( in preference to ourselves) but, for whatever reason, Randy Lerner pulled the plug on the offer.

Could that Chinese Group be the same one that is now in the frame for a takeover of the Albion?

and

Might they change course now and make another bid for the Villa and drop out of negotiations with JP??

I have a gut feeling that we could yet be left sitting in the 'soft and smelly'.

Dingle-Dingle · 15-07-2015, 10:36

AS far as I understand JP is neither Soft or Smelly. DD Angel