[Slick_Footwork]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'd like to see us get Tony Pulis back in...

We need an old head on a short term deal to give us any chance of staying up.

Someone who can win dirty.

But most importantly, someone who understands how to win.

Ramsay hasn't got a clue. We don't get bodies forward. We haven't got any pattern of play.

I think even with a decent manager we could go down now, our squad lacks quality and the other teams around us actually seem capable of getting a win.

But a change might at least give us a hope.

If Ramsay stays, relegation is certain IMO.

[baggietrousers]

Ramsey looks like a Rabbit caught in the headlights, bereft of ideas and does not know what to do next. As already mentioned above he’s clueless.
Added to that we have a squad of players equally as poor, scoring just 3 goals in the last 8 games. Ramsey saying we competed with and matched Coventry in the second half is nothing short of delusional!!! Coventry never got out of second gear, because they didn’t have to, and we still only managed one shot on target!!!!

[Blue Baggie]

It's either Ramsay or Patel out now.
Roy or SGM to show how a team should be set up to win a game now.
Or let's play Walsall in the future.

[Slick_Footwork]

Blackburn won last night, that's 2 on the bounce with the new manager.

Portsmouth won away at 3rd place Millwall.

Oxford hold Boro away.

Chalrton hold Southampton away.

Meanwhile, we lose at home, without even laying a glove on the opposition.

As it stands, the only side worse than us are Sheffield Wednesday.

Everyone else at least has some fight and spirit. We're as spineless as we are useless.

There's a gap opening above us. If Leicester are able to successful appeal their points deduction, we pretty much look dead and buried already.

How on earth is Ramsay not immediately sacked after that game? We need a new manager in charge for Tuesday night.

Anything less than 3 points and I consider us down.

Although I thank the owners for taking over from Lai while we were in the crap financially, from a footballing point of view they have a lot to answer for.

If you look at this team, the majority were bought under their watch and barely any of them can play.

The managerial decisions are just punt after punt.

And now they need to wake up and smell the coffee. Hold their hands up that they screwed it with Ramsay and get in an experienced head to at least give us a chance of survival.

Time to get your finger out Mr Patel.

[Blue Baggie]

An Emergency board meeting called.
Looks like Ramsay stays for now. Patel. Should have dumped him and got an old experienced manager in. Even if Ramsay wins the next game I would still get rid.
Come on Patel show Ramsay what "clarity and positive" actually mean.

[BaggieSteve]

An Emergency board meeting called.
Looks like Ramsay stays for now. Patel. Should have dumped him and got an old experienced manager in. Even if Ramsay wins the next game I would still get rid.
Come on Patel show Ramsay what "clarity and positive" actually mean.

There seems to be some doubt about whether this meeting took place. Regardless of this, it’s hard to see him surviving beyond Tuesday if we don’t beat Charlton. Let’s be honest, we should be saying that it’s a minimum of 6 points from the next two games but our away record is so poor, we’d probably be happy with a point at Oxford

[Slick_Footwork]

With such an important game coming up tomorrow, I can't believe the board haven't acted.

Of course, while Ramsay remains I charge, I always hope he will turn things around.

Sadly, I just can't see it. And I'm not sure what the board are seeing that makes them think otherwise.

Even if we win tomorrow - which isn't beyond the realms of possibility - I still think keeping him will be a mistake. They should've got the new guy in for this game to build a platform. A win would just paper over the cracks until our next away game.

Sadly, we'll get what we deserve at the end of this season. It's invevitable now.

[WBA-Josh]

I think it’s become clear that the club has started to go back to its disastrous run of coaches. There was always a succession plan in place when it came to the coaching side. Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke all followed the same principles for the club. From then it has been a who’s who of styles. Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew, Big Dave, Bilic, Allardyce, Ismael, Bruce, Corberan, Mowbray again, Mason and now Ramsay.

No clear plan, no continuation where a new coach wouldn’t need to change much because they have the same principles. Just shit and chaos. Now to be fair to the club, they have tried in the past year to put a plan in place. I’ve spoken previously about the wanting to have a younger squad and younger coaching team in place, something that is becoming bigger in the English game. The problem has been the implementation of said plan. The squad has been made younger but has deteriorated in quality rather than increased as it should have. The coaching side has seen Mason and Ramsay be thrust into a job that is above them, especially Ramsay, and the continuation where Mason goes and someone similar comes in hasn’t happened as Ramsay and Mason are is chalk and cheese in style and ideas.

Relegation to League One will be a disaster but it could be a disaster that this club needs to actually reset itself. Not the soft reset of when we went down from the Premier League and continued the same inconsistent cycle in the Championship, but an actual reset. A reset with a 5 year plan in place, not a year by year plan. A plan where the coaching staff is young and hungry and wants to play good football. A plan to invest in young players, and give our youth a chance to shine. Have a continuation plan in place, like Ashworth used to have. Look abroad to Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Norway for young talent that won’t cost a lot and will have the hunger and desire to bring the club forward. Hell, look at Middlesbrough and their Swedish Head Coach and what he has done so quickly. It was risky and brave but it has worked. Albion in that situation would have overlooked him for a British coach who’s worked in the Premier League as a First Team Coach and nothing more.

The club can endure relegation to League One but it has to come out of the other side better for it. That will mean taking risks and punts but the reward out of it is bigger than continuing with the same old, uninspiring decision making.

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As an example, we could look at Fredrik Holmberg from GAIS in Sweden. In his 5 years he has taken them from the third decision to 3rd place in the Allsvenskan, and that’s with a tiny budget. That’s the bravery and risk, with potential high reward, that I talk about.

[baggietrousers]

All good valid points Josh, the only issue being as soon as a coach and/or players start to shine in the lower divisions, then the vultures start circling and planting ideas of greatness in said coaches and players. Then can offer mega bucks to anyone with the slightest potential and off they go to be a bench warmer or loaned out. So as much as I absolutely agree that a long term strategic plan is a great idea, money talks, as has been the case recently, and decent players leave quickly.

[Blue Baggie]

All good valid points Josh, the only issue being as soon as a coach and/or players start to shine in the lower divisions, then the vultures start circling and planting ideas of greatness in said coaches and players.  Then can offer mega bucks to anyone with the slightest potential and off they go to be a bench warmer or loaned out.  So as much as I absolutely agree that a long term strategic plan is a great idea, money talks, as has been the case recently, and decent players leave quickly.

We should never be concerned about players being enticed away as long as the fee is acceptable. That's always been the way for the last 50 years 
With a good academy and giving youth a real chance it's a great base to help us return to the heights we need to be at.