[theo_luddite]

I would say offer him 6 months pay to fook off now (less if he lands another job) and put Terry The Terrier in charge, no you're right Chico and his mate, and get on with it.

I was likely similarly pissed off with Corberan 2 years ago, but we weren't below the trap door and I'd say we've a better squad (just) than he had then.

[Devongone]

If Hogg had an actual fight with the new manager wouldn't a normal organisation simply sack him?

Does Hogg's popularity with the fans mean that can't possibly happen? That's not a good thing for any manager even though Fotheringham sounds well-fightable.

If Hogg with 4 goals in 287 games or something gets to play, how and where is that going to improve the team? You couldn't possibly pick him in front of Camara could you? He's a bit lightweight to play at the back except as part of a back three with two giant reliable colleagues, who you don't seem to have either? Nevertheless, I can see he might be a very good influence surrounded by young, up-and-coming lads. It's just that at football you have to score goals at one end and stop them at the other to win games, and it isn't easy to see how you do that before the transfer window. Rhodes looks the most likely to score, but he hasn't been prolific for quite a while. Defensively Helik is a brave blocker, your Japanese guy looks your best reader of the game, but unless your attack can give the defenders something to protect, they are likely to struggle till the window, aren't they?

If you are willing to spend a bit in the window there are several players in Division One and below who could improve your team without breaking the Chairman's piggy bank, but to recruit the right players your manager or someone needs to be on the ball, AND to get this current team to the window still in touch with your rivals he's got to be doing something right with a squad of limited capacity. Other teams are losing, but they may have more capacity to improve and possibly deeper pockets when the time comes. It's a very hard one for loyal fans, who've seen this coming but couldn't do anything about it.

[Lord Snooty]

We currently have Scott High, Josh Koroma, Kieran Phillips, Romoney Crichlow, Rarmani Edmonds-Green, Matt Daly, Kian Harratt and the unknown Danny Grant and Kyle Hudlin out on loan. None of whom are good enough for the Championship, yet.

But is High not better than the midfielders we had in the team last night? Are Roms and Rams not better players than Lees and Helik? Wouldn't Hudlin be better off playing for us if we're going to play the long ball game? What's the point in humping long balls forward for Rhodes or Ward to compete for?

From what we've seen of Matt Daly in the opportunities he's been given, is he not a better player than Rudoni?

Pointless me asking these questions though, because they won't be getting recalled.But they should be decent players in our squad for League One next year.

[theo_luddite]

If Hogg had an actual fight with the new manager wouldn't a normal organisation simply sack him?

Since when have football clubs been seen as normal? Scraps on the training ground are rumours that come out of every club and usually reported as something along the lines of robust or high spirits in the camp.

Elsewhere both would be subject to disciplinary procedures.

Hogg has never been about scoring goals and more about stopping the other side. He's a defensive midfielder. Why does his goal scoring record have anything to do with it at all? I don't get your argument on this point.

[jjamez]

Hogg is Huddersfield town and Huddersfield town is Hogg, both terriers, both hard working and no nonsense.

It wouldn't be Hogg v fotheringham, it would be the fans, Hogg, I'd guess 90% of the squad and a large portion of backroom staff v fotheringham

Pick your battles wisely and you will win, pick poorly and you'll be down and out before you've even started

[WakeyTerrier]

Not a chance we'd sack Hogg, the fans would be in uproar even if his best days are behind him.

Did he have a scrap with him, most definitely. Is he injured..nope

Are others against the manager, I know of at least one other who started on Tuesday and one who wasn't in the squad who have a very low opinion of the manager and when I say low I mean bewildered on how he got the job in the first place.

[jjamez]

Well I'd imagine one who wasn't in the squad could well be a laboured midfielder that 'appears' to be off the pace.

The one who started could be any one of them but I'd be guessing it could be a Scouse, a feisty American or a lad from Bradford that doesn't seem to be working hard?

[Devongone]

But you see if Hogg is bigger than the manager in everyone's eyes, the manager is up shit creek before he's started. Obviously, the manager is clearly an idiot for allowing a fight of any kind to happen with an important squad member. Going in with the local hero is a no-win situation.

Fights do sometimes break out on the training ground, but you don't fight the boss, especially if you want to get in the team come Saturday. If a manager really disliked a player and thought he was one of the problems wouldn't allowing a fight to happen provide him with the perfect excuse to leave him on the bench, or worse, forever? He doesn't need to sack Hogg, because he's the one pinning up the team sheet.

I'm not against Hogg, but he is a defensive midfielder and his legs are going to confine him more and more to that role only. That really means that to go forward successfully you need two more attack minded midfielders alongside him, so playing him almost dictates the way you play as a team. Last season by having Toffolo raiding down one wing and Thomas down the other you had a way to go forward and were a permanent threat to the opposition. Now Fotheringham's surely got you feeding Thomas, because he's no faith in something productive coming from the other wing?

Hogg has been a wonderful servant for your club. I'm sure he's Huddersfield through and through, but at some point, you all have to contemplate that there'll be life after him and more important he has to contemplate that too! Surely if he were putting Huddersfield's interests before his own then he wouldn't be fighting with a very newly installed manager, however much he disagreed with him? It is a team game.

When your most senior, respected player is fighting the manager, it's Tory MPs squabbling and pushing and shoving in the lobby. It can't be like that. It gets carried onto the field of play, where you've all got to fight for each other, especially when you are up against teams that look superior to you on paper.

My more football tactics point anyway would be that when teams come up against a really good defensive midfielder sealing up the centre of defence they tend to react by going out wide. That's fine if you've got really good players out there. The worst that happens then is the odd desperation cross for the keeper to pluck. If you are weak in those areas, they can turn into nightmare spaces ......... and you've sealed one leak at the price of creating two.

At the risk of being very unpopular, watching you last season, if you'd asked what I thought you needed if you went up to the Premier League, I'd have said sign a commanding centre back, a reliable, attacking right full back, sign a forward with a goal in him and a few weapons to worry good defences ........ and someone to replace Hogg because he might well no longer be able to hack it at that level. I want Huddersfield to win, but to be fair to a manager who probably doesn't deserve it, trying to achieve that seems like firefighting in several areas of the pitch.

[jjamez]

with the way fotheringham comes across i wouldn't entirely put it past him starting the fight

[jjamez]

liz truss has resigned making her the shortest serving prime minister apparently, wasn't there one who died or did he never make it into office?

so with that being said, who is the shortest permanent manager Town have had?