[bluepooch]

That second half performance was pathetic.It was like they weren't interested and Jack has to shoulder some of the blame .You wouldn't get those likeable fellas Neil Warnock or Steve Evans accepting that spineless performance in such an important game .
Forget trying to look after the ball if you don't have the bottle for a fight you are going to fail and that's what we are about to do .
Jack was a winner on the pitch and I hope he was smashing cups in that changing room after the game because if things don't change starting Tuesday we are down .
For the second week running the opposition wanted it more than us and it is unacceptable.

[Dancingwilldoit]

Blue, there are no ifs. We are on our way down and next season wont be pretty because of the players still in contract.
I thought Lester was the wrong man and I also said last year we would go down if we started the season with Caldwell in charge. I was right and it really pains me to say it. I will also say that next season we will struggle to compete and will finish in the bottom half of the National League. There is a cancer in our club and until we rid ourselves of it we will continue to rot.
Mansfield will send us down and we will finish bottom. That sentence says it all.
This is going to take some recovery and god knows what will happen next.
I agree 100% with Dev, we have a youth team we have a youth structure and it stops when they get a pro contract we just throw our home grown talent away or destroy any confidence it had by bad management. At least Wilson brought some of them through and gave them a chance.
Lester and Wright have made it obvious they cant motivate players and the players themselves should have been up for yesterday. Its a sorry state of affairs but unless we have a massive clearout we will fail again.
Lester has to shoulder the blame and should do the honourable thing but he wont. We cant afford to get rid of another manager as we are still paying others off so we are stuck with what we have for the foreseeable future.
So what do we have to look forward to? Errm let me see now. Crowds of 2K, reduced budgets, loss of sponsors and advertising revenue, loss of our youth set up, the closure of the North Stand, a stadium that will slowly start to decay because of lack of funds to keep it maintained etc etc.
Most important will be the loss of future younger generations of supporters who instead of buying Town shirts will turn to Sheffield or Derby or Nottingham or god help us Mansfield. Kids want to support winners - its what kids do. Why be ridiculed by your mates at school? Support a club that knows what its doing instead of one slowly rotting to death.
These really are sad sad days.

[bluepooch]

I agree ,even if we did stay up we need a new broom to clear out all the rubbish and bring back some sort of feel good factor a bit like when we moved into the new stadium .
Dancing, which youngsters did Danny give a chance to ? My memory is not the best .I remember Caldwell giving a first team chance to Rowley ,Wakefield and German .Wilson spotted a talent in Jon Nolan but sadly failed to get the best out of him.
I walked round the stadium last week and couldn't believe how neglected its become with letters missing off signs and looks like one of the stand has no sponsor ! litter and dogshit all around the perimeter,club shop window smashed .Its a sorry time for us and I don't know what DA's end game is but surely he cannot just let his investment go down the pan .
Sad times.
Ive just looked at the penalty incident and it definitely hit Nelson on the shoulder but these things go against you when you're at the bottom.So much for a Premier League ref.

[spireitematt]

If and it's a rather BIG IF! If we stay up this season in L2, could we be relegated next season?

[Devongone]

You've good memory if you can remember Caldwell giving German a chance. He NEVER started under Caldwell. He has only started once. And his record suggests he's a starter not a bencher IF he's any longer anything at all. Unfortunately when Danny gave him a chance I think he came under the influence of that thug Morgan and committed fouls all over the park which was never his game in the juniors. He knew how to lead a line but not be a thug. Apparently he pulled Coalville's defence around on Saturday and made a goal ........... but he was certainly capable of that two years ago. That's the tragedy, we run these players head first into a glass ceiling. Certainly Caldwell put Wakefield on the field and he did well. But that team was terminal and it was and always is the young lad that pays with Chesterfield.

As I've repeated ad infinitum German scored 11 goals in under 3 weeks. Caldwell didn't even reward him with a place on the bench. That was the beginning of the end for Ricky in my opinion. He was sending a message that he was ready. The response was no one was listening despite the worst team we've ever had taking the field each week .......

[bluepooch]

Who gave German a start Dev if it wasn't Calders ? Has he actually started a game ?

[Dancingwilldoit]

Wasn't Jake Beesley one of our own that Danny played and gave a good chance. I also thought German started a game under Danny but not 100% sure. Broadhead Simons Onovwigun and Maguire all played under Wilson.

[spireitematt]

Wasn't Jake Beesley one of our own that Danny played and gave a good chance. I also thought German started a game under Danny but not 100% sure. Broadhead Simons Onovwigun and Maguire all played under Wilson.

Broadhead left back in May 2015 and went to Mickleover Sports. Only made 3 appearances for Chesterfield. First one in the FA Cup in 2012-13.

Jake Beesley made 11 appearances for Chesterfield. First one in 2014-15 in the JPT and the other 8 games were under Wilson/Caldwell.

Ricky German has made 12 appearances for Chesterfield since 2016-2017 and made 3 of those appearances this season. Sent him on loan to 3 different clubs this season. Alfreton, Sheffield and Matlock.

Rai Simons made 46 appearances for Chesterfield scoring 4 goals. Made his debut under Saunders but played 22 times and scored 5 times in 2015-2016 and another 24 appearances in 2016-2017.

Michael Onovwigun made 8 appearances for Chesterfield. Made his debut in the 2014-2015 season.

Laurence Maguire has made 30 appearances so far for Chesterfield scoring 1 goal. Made his debut in the 2016-17 season but was included in the team in the 2015-16 season but never made an appearance.

Looking at that it looks like Danny Wilson gave youth a chance.

[bluepooch]

Hang on by that reckoning you could argue all the managers gave youth a chance as they all would have had at some stage young players in the team ! So therefore Wilson gave no more a chance to youngsters than any of the others .
Onofwigun and Simons (and Gboly) didn't come through the youth system ,I'm pretty sure they were all signed by Cook.

[Devongone]

German has had one start, all his other appearances have been as sub and rarely lasted 10 minutes. His start was under Danny and the thug ......... and he was pretty dreadful. He got booked and topped the foul count.

I don't think ANY recent manager has given youth much of a go. Sometimes we haven't had the youth, sometimes we have had a manager who is stuck in a rut. And once we had a manager who seemed mostly to manage without.

It seems to me we only ever offer a real chance to a player we think might make a higher level like Darikwa, Bowery, back to Davies and even as far as Ernie, Ernie, Ernie.

Somebody has to play in Division One and Two. We can't always recruit all those from players on their way down, or from clubs at the same level. Cookie did very well without introducing much youth, but you have to have a very good eye for a value player you are capable of improving. We should be thinking that if we work with this lad he can be a pro', but we only sit up and take notice if he starts doing a Joe Rowley and catching Everton's eye. We want players for us primarily and if they become too good for us - well hooray.

Many of our decisions on younger players look justified. Broadhead has never looked like making it, nor Onovwigun, Jake Beesley struggles for a game, Manny is not ripping the world apart yet BUT when you see Jacob Hazel scored yet another hat trick on Saturday you have to start to wonder how much other talent has been given just the odd game and discarded.

I think the point Matt is trying to make is that if you don't give players a run at first team football, they never EVER can become first players.

My opinion is that if we wanted Ricky German to be a Vanarama player at least next season then we should have been finding him a struggling Vanarama club for a loan this season or last. Stretch him, see what he can do or can't. What good is a player who can do well for Matlock to us? Unless we think that's the level we'll be playing at in three years.