[bluepooch]

I've not given up on Caldwell and I think most fans thought he was a decent appointment for the simple reason he was young and had a progressive profile even though he was sacked after winning the league, which Wigan fans thought was a tad unfair.
I'm not going to defend Caldwell for the sake of it and 3 points from 18 is poor but surely to write him off at this stage is premature .I like the way he talks ,he has a philosophy unlike the dinosaur Wilson but obviously talking doesn't guarantee success.
Dancing lets give him 10 games then maybe I will agree with you and you can come and watch me perform my forfeit if you want .

[spireitematt]

I say lets give him a chance and see what he does in the summer and see how he does after 10 games next season.

[Dancingwilldoit]

Blue, you think I don't know what you are up to?
Its only because after 10 games the weather will be milder and you wont need the willy warmer

[Devongone]

Pooch I don't quite know why you dispute historical FACTS, but Donald Trump is making it popular.

Having first taken charge of Barnsley after Danny Wilson was sacked by the club in 2015, following the departure of Lee Johnson to Bristol City in 2016 Heckingbottom once again became caretaker. He guided Barnsley to the Football League Trophy final, beating Oxford United 3–2 at Wembley and later to beating Millwall 3–1 in the League One play-off final. His success as caretaker led to him being tipped to be appointed permanent head coach. On 15 June 2016, Heckingbottom was finally confirmed as the club's permanent head coach, signing a 12-month rolling contract.

Barnsley won everything possible for them under a caretaker, whose previous experience as caretaker ended in him being replaced by Lee Johnson, and even after his success they didn't step straight in with his contract.

EVEN NOW BARNSLEY DO NOT HAVE A MANAGER!!!!!!

They did what we'd have done if we had left the Hump alone (who did win us a league match!) This is the polar opposite of success coming as a result of appointing a new man.

[Devongone]

My last post sounds unnecessarily cruel. I apologise, but the point I’m making is that this is far too complex a picture for alternative facts to be allowed to cloud it even further.

Sean Dyche is now the man to know but his season at Watford saw him just short of a 35% win rate and an eleventh place finish ……

Eddie Howe, by contrast, immediately saved Bournemouth from relegation from Division 2 despite a 17-point handicap. He then took them up. He left with an astonishing win rate of 50% for Burnley where, in two seasons, he achieved only 39% and finished 8th and 13th.  BUT Sean Dyche, eleventh at Watford, took them up.

Eddie returned to a Bournemouth side who, under an ad hoc partnership had finished 3rd in Division One and missed out to Huddersfield before spending a season in mid table, and he took them up and then astonishingly in only their second Championship season he did it again.

Watford themselves narrowly missed out on the Premier League in 2012-13 following Dyche’s departure upon the advent of new owners under Gianfranco Zola’s management (who currently can’t win a game for a Birmingham side that were promotion contenders under Gary Rowett). After a series of very short-lived unsuccessful appointments, one season under Jokanovic was enough to get them up.

So Howe is a genius at Bournemouth and ordinary-ish in Burnley.
Dyche shows a hint of promise at Watford but is a wow at Burnley.
Bournemouth produce one excellent season without Howe in Division One and then fade.
Watford without Dyche have an excellent season under Zola.
After Watford, Zola has been quickly sacked by both Cagliari and Al-Arabi and Birmingham is looking similar.

• Eddie Howe got the Bournemouth job after 2 defeats in 2 games as caretaker.
• If all this form involved racehorses you’d conclude Rowett would be a good outsider to consider and Jokanovic might be the business.

[spireitematt]

I think we should have given the job to Ritchie till the end of the season.

[Devongone]

So do I Matt. I think it was already too late for Mr Caldwell when he started ....... unless he turned out to be a genius at saving clubs facing relegation. The only hope we had was the whole team coming together under an insider like Ritchie.

What was the worst that could have happened ....... not win for 6 games and Ritchie learn a lot about management in a very short space of time?

[spireitematt]

So do I Matt. I think it was already too late for Mr Caldwell when he started ....... unless he turned out to be a genius at saving clubs facing relegation. The only hope we had was the whole team coming together under an insider like Ritchie.

What was the worst that could have happened ....... not win for 6 games and Ritchie learn a lot about management in a very short space of time?

Ritchie knew the players and they knew him so it would have worked well as he would have known there strengths and weaknesses.

Mal Purchase the fitness coach has left the club today as well and Caldwell is bringing in a first team coach.

[bluepooch]

Apparently the assistant manager /coach whatever you want to call it, is not coming until the end of the season.
Dev I'm calling the person who controls team affairs the 'manager' but he could well be the 'coach' ,at the end of the day he still makes the on the pitch decisions.
It looks like Gaz is in it for the short term long haul so we had better settle down and put up with it .
Who knows ,this time next season he could be leading us to the League One or Two title ,we can but dream.
I really think Saturday is the most important game of the season for two reasons ,a win will give us hope of surviving relegation and it will also go some way to convincing me we are going the right way under Caldwell.A defeat may well have the opposite effect.

[Devongone]

Saturday ...... escaping relegation ...... what do you think this is, Leicester City?

As for Heckingbottom, he was coaching at Barnsley all the time they were struggling under Lee Johnson. This is beginning to get like explaining the difference between small and far away to Dougall on Father Ted. Barnsley just let things happen with a man they had previously overlooked, despite winning 2 out 3 in a previous caretaker spell. He wasn't a new appointment, every club that sacks a manager or has him leave, announces one of their coaches as caretaker. If you think that equates to appointing Neil Warnock or even Gary Caldwell then fine, but I can see the difference and if you can't I'm cancelling the Directorship I've got lined up for you when I become unaccountably wealthy and take over ........

One thing you are right about is that we must go with Mr Caldwell and not for just 10 games into next season. We gave him an impossible job this season, and then we want to say, no investment, team on the cheap, oh and by the way we're expecting top seven after ten games .......... Just because I think he was a rubbish choice doesn't mean I think my club should demean itself by pissing on the guy. We need to be better than that.