[bluepooch]

Look lads you know I'm not very often wrong and if I say we will be ok under GC im not saying it lightly .I genuinely feel he will take us forward and minor things like losing Jayo are all part of a bigger picture so that why Im not getting hung up about it .

[spireitematt]

So the question to you Matt is has Jay O'Shea ever struck you as a relegation battler?

It has seemed that we have come to rely on Jay's good performances to win games and as he seems to be at a level of a good one in every 4 or 5 .......... that's relegation.

And I won't even mention the effect on The Blunts of introducing two new players to the crowd last night. I'm not one for if it ain't broke don't fix it, but last night's result didn't suggest new signings had done a whole lot for team spirit.

I'm not optimistic. I think Mr Caldwell has a very tough job to save us. Even if we crash disastrously to the end of the season my opinion is that we have gone with him, he tried to do something pretty impossible, we need to stick with him for next season and see what he can create.

Doesn't bringing in players through the window seem like bringing them in the wrong entrance?

No he hasn't Devon but he's a game changer. Game changers can win games.

Gary Caldwell has a very tough job but one where I think he will succeed and do well.

Come on Devon got to be more optimistic and try and look at the positives. I know supporting Chesterfield isn't easy and isn't always a laugh but football is like a rollercoaster you've got to experience the highs and the lows.

[Devongone]

I think getting shut of Jay is a good thing! He was potentially our best player, but that's an eleven-letter word that kept getting in his way ........ and ours. When we had a lot of potent players he was a luxury we could afford, but as Dancing pointed out he was often on first on Cookie's sub list.

We are in Division One, this is nowhere near as bad as it gets for an old Spire. Pooch will certainly remember the days of Tony McShane as manager, regularly getting nowhere in the division below, every season about nine or more free transfers brought in to back the three or four regulars. There was almost no hope of a junior player coming through then. We were poor in every sense of the word. And going nowhere.

Now, we are in crisis because of decisions our former chairman helped us make. And he is the only one who can decide the who, when, what and how behind the resolution of those issues. And Mr Caldwell can only work with what he is given and he was very clearly told that to bring a player in, another had to go out. So the luxury sofa's in the pawn shop up the road.

Try as I might I can only see 2 or at a stretch 3 teams that might finish below us. If Mr Caldwell can transform us, then of course we might survive, but he'll have to do an absolutely excellent job ........ more really than we've a right to expect of him. So instead of putting him under pressure and giving him the idea it's keep us up or else, he deserves to know that if we go down we'll be asking him to get us back up again.

[bluepooch]

Sorry dev Im not that old !
My first game was the first game after Alan Stevenson left for Burnley.(Everyone remembers their first game dont they ? )Memories play tricks on you but i remember standing to the right of the kop and i think it was v Plymouth.
Im fairly certain the manager was Jimmy Mcguigan .

[Dancingwilldoit]

Matt, Jay was never a game changer. If we went a goal down so did Jays head and he more often than not disappeared out of the game. He was never a tackler and in a team battling for survival he wouldn't be in the running for the first 11. He was a play maker and when he was on form and we started well he shone, the problem is his light was out more than it was on.

Blue - Are you being serious "you don't very often get things wrong"? I really am worried for our survival now.

[bluepooch]

Dancing I was optimistic when Cook arrived when a lot were sceptical and I was pessimistic for about the last 4 months of Wilson's reign when many were saying it wasnt his fault ( and some still are ).Of course I may yet be proved wrong with Caldwell but Ill run down my street naked if he doesnt improve our league position.

[spireitematt]

Matt, Jay was never a game changer. If we went a goal down so did Jays head and he more often than not disappeared out of the game. He was never a tackler and in a team battling for survival he wouldn't be in the running for the first 11. He was a play maker and when he was on form and we started well he shone, the problem is his light was out more than it was on.

Blue - Are you being serious "you don't very often get things wrong"?   I really am worried for our survival now.

What about the Yeovil game where we were 2-0 down and he came on as a sub put a really good shift in, scored twice and we won 3-2. I agree he wasn't much of a tackler and when he lost the ball it was either Drew or Darikwa who had to win it back but yes he was a very good play maker and good at creating chances and goals. Not to mention he's also a good penalty taker.

[Devongone]

Come on Pooch ........ Tony McShane was 1962-7 ........ His son, who had no interest in football at all (like his dad some would say), was a year below me at school. I can remember Duggie Livingstone, his predecessor, okay I was only 10 when he finished, but I'd watched loads of games with my mate Jonah by then. That's even more unbelievable than you not often being wrong. If we could export you being wrong Trump would be putting trade barriers up against us ........ You spend more time on the streets without your clothes than the naked rambler. Like me I don't think you should consider buying a stripey tent, a crystal ball and tarot cards any time soon.

Oh God I wish Alan Stevenson were in goal for us for the rest of this season ...... even in a business suit ..........

Yesterday I found out Keiffer Moore, who I'd been saying we should grab because he was cheap, unwanted and available didn't go to Lincoln as I thought, but IPSWICH! A division above us. Mick McCarthy agreed with me! SACK HIM!

Matt, I do think Dancing's light bulb analogy is accurate in Jay O'Shea's case. Something had to switch him on to get him into the game. I saw him not contribute (though he was running around) for 65 minutes of a game. We brought on Mark Randall who just fed him a series of delicious passes and Jay went from present but invisible to the best player on the field for 20 minutes. Unfortunately, if you never find out who, what or where that switch will be ...... and you spend years looking ......... you have to judge on what he does for you most of the time. In the spirit of competition for the title of poster least-often correct (with the naked runner, Pooch) I'd bet that by April, when the going's getting tough, Jay'll be spending more time on the bench for Sheff Utd than on the field.

[Dancingwilldoit]

Problem was Matt those performances were a rarity. If he had a number of mediocre games with the odd brilliant one he would have been worth keeping. The thing is he was either good or non existent and we may as well have had 10 men playing. The number of times he ran into trouble and gave the ball away were to many to mention.

Blue - In all honesty I'm surprised you ever manage to get out of the house to get to games in between streaking up and down the street. I can imagine the neighbors comments especially on cold days like today, at least you wont be accused of exposing yourself.

[spireitematt]

Problem was Matt those performances were a rarity. If he had a number of mediocre games with the odd brilliant one he would have been worth keeping. The thing is he was either good or non existent and we may as well have had 10 men playing. The number of times he ran into trouble and gave the ball away were to many to mention.

Blue - In all honesty I'm surprised you ever manage to get out of the house to get to games in between streaking up and down the street. I can imagine the neighbors comments especially on cold days like today, at least you wont be accused of exposing yourself.

I'm not really bothered he's gone because all players leave as they are mercenaries. I just find it rather odd we didn't get a fee for him. O'Shea will probably be on the bench at Sheffield United and at the end of the season when he's out of contract he will join Portsmouth if Cook is still there.