We didn't even get groomed!

Devongone · 03-12-2016, 19:39

I can hardly wait for what Pooch and Dancing say. Is conceding five at home against a lower division team as bad as ten away to one from your own division?

We heard how much the club pays in wages. Apparently we stand 17th in our division as far as wages go. I kinda feel we may as well aim to get our bill down to 24th place. A cull can't make our position worse. Get rid of any players anyone will take in January, replace them with players who want to play.

If I were manager I'd resign. I doubt Danny can afford that, but he and especially Morgan must now go I'm afraid. Humphreys i/c all team matters!

Suggested January signing - Keiffer Moore, playing for next to nowt at Torquay on loan from Forest Green who don't seem to want him.

Lots of clubs apparently abuse young players. We seem to be the only where the fans get abused! They couldn't even be arsed to groom us properly!

bluepooch · 03-12-2016, 19:57

I am busy eagerly looking on twitter to see if he has resigned

Dancingwilldoit · (This post was last modified: 06-12-2016, 14:30 by Dancingwilldoit.)

Cant blame the manager for that. We were worse than shocking. From the off we didn't want it and they did - simples. Got to say that is by far the worst most inept performance I have seen since we moved to the Proact and probably the worst ever performance I have seen from a Spireite team. The only player who looked half interested was Donoghue. Defence was just non existent as you will see from the videos. I cant bear to look again, it was excruciating. Luckily only 3.5k witnessed it and half of them left after the 3rd goal. I sat it out until 85th minute because I wanted to see if we could make it any worse.
Problem is Blue who else could he have picked that would have made it any better? We need Hird and Raglan back pdq. Evatt was superb last week but both him and Anderson were dire yesterday. Unmarked headers and waltzing through the middle again and again. Midfield was non existent. Ariyibi wants dropping he needs a wake up call and when O'Shea has a good game he wants dropping for the next 3 because that's the way he plays = 1 good game in 4. Fulton wants to learn how to be a keeper. If you go punch a ball you punch the bloody thing not flap your wrist at it straight to the opposition.......
John Croot was sat across the aisle from me in the East Stand, don't know if that signifies anything but in all honesty after yesterday I will have the same attitude as the players - I couldn't give a shit.

bluepooch · 04-12-2016, 22:46

Im sorry Dancing but on the field the buck stops with the manager and I believe a better manager would get more out of these players.A team generally reflects a managers personality and Wilson stood with his arms folded for the whole game while his team strolled through the game is a good example.The worst thing about this situation is that he is basically unsackable.I am not usually prone to getting too down because normally in circumstances like this I think the manager will lose his job and theres a chance that someone will come in and improve us so there is always a light at the end of the tunnel ,but today I currently see no light.
He has a terrible record this season and regardless of the circumstances no one can defend 8 losses in a row and defeats of 1-4 Accy,1-4 Sheff U and 0-5 Wycombe chuffing Wanderers.If it was any other manager they would be screaming for his head but not our Danny. Unlike some I did not get carried away by the two recent victories,I felt we were fortunate in both games and rather than that being the norm it is the defeats that are the reality.He has been here nearly a year and has had time to at least mould some sort of team to call his own but we are worse now than when he took over .
I suppose as each week goes by his compensation amount falls slightly which makes it a little easier to sack him.That is unfortunately the only positive thing I can think of .

**spireitematt** · 04-12-2016, 23:26

(04-12-2016, 22:46)bluepooch Wrote: Im sorry Dancing but on the field the buck stops with the manager and I believe a better manager would get more out of these players.A team generally reflects a managers personality and Wilson stood with his arms folded for the whole game while his team strolled through the game is a good example.The worst thing about this situation is that he is basically unsackable.I am not usually prone to getting too down because normally in circumstances like this I think the manager will lose his job and theres a chance that someone will come in and improve us so there is always a light at the end of the tunnel ,but today I currently see no light.
He has a terrible record this season and regardless of the circumstances no one can defend 8 losses in a row and defeats of 1-4 Accy,1-4 Sheff U and 0-5 Wycombe chuffing Wanderers.If it was any other manager they would be screaming for his head but not our Danny. Unlike some I did not get carried away by the two recent victories,I felt we were fortunate in both games and rather than that being the norm it is the defeats that are the reality.He has been here nearly a year and has had time to at least mould some sort of team to call his own but we are worse now than when he took over .
I suppose as each week goes by his compensation amount falls slightly which makes it a little easier to sack him.That is unfortunately the only positive thing I can think of .

Pooch I agree with Dancing. It's not always the managers fault. The manager picks the players, tells them how to play he can't play the game for them, the players have to take responsibility as well as the manager. Also Pooch the club is in financial difficulties so how are we going to pay Danny off if we sack him? or how are we going to get a new manager with no money?

Danny's between a rock and a hard place and is trying to do his best with what he's got and I don't think any other manager could do any better.

bluepooch · (This post was last modified: 05-12-2016, 01:18 by bluepooch.)

The manager is the most influential person at the club after the owner .he is the one who maximises the potential and makes money for the club by increasing gates through on field results and producing good players who have value .Cook did this but im sorry i do not think wilson is even taking account of the fact that he has had injuries and inherited some crap .All managers have this to deal with .

Devongone · (This post was last modified: 05-12-2016, 14:38 by Devongone.)

Danny Wilson is a good man. Unfortunately he'd have to be Gandhi +++ to resign, which he must feel like doing. Do we really think a man as competitive as him on the field of play is happy to oversee performances like Saturday's? He'll hate it as much as any of us.

We could dismiss Danny on grounds of incompetence. Any monetary pay out to him would be months, if not years, away if we contested it, and our position might either be sorted, or we'd be out of existence, by then. The real worry is IF we did that then MORGAN the nutter takes charge and that is about as desirable Ian Huntley and Peter Sutcliffe as a managerial duo ..... IMO.

I still think moving Mr Wilson upstairs to keep all his experience, giving all immediate on-field matters to The Hump to wrestle with, would be a more viable solution. And yes dump Morgan - Pooch highlights Danny's poor record, but the Blades went nowhere with Morgan (under different managers) and neither have we ...... he has no past record of success and as a player he was a thug. What is to like?

Now earlier I suggested we should try to get Keiffer Moore, currently at Torquay, why? He's a big strong player who gives 100%, who is currently proving he doesn't expect huge financial rewards. We have a crippling wage bill. Part of that is SEB. He is failing at Shrewsbury, that leaves him a choice of wringing the last few months of his over-sized pay packet from us and being regarded as almost unemployable afterwards ....... or he could try to save his career. Keiffer Moore is a Forest Green player. Forest Green is owned by the man behind all the South West's alternative power. They are top of the National League, if SEB could resurrect himself there he'd be back in Division 2 at a club that could afford him ......... As far as I can see it is the only hope of getting rid of a player who has become a liability to us, who might actually still have it to succeed elsewhere. And they'd be getting a player who has been a star at the price of a player they clearly don't want.

And before you laugh at me over Keiffer Moore, take a look at the scoring charts in Division 2 and remember when I was saying we should sign Omar Bogle of Solihull Moors (then in National League North) .... and contemplate how we could do with his 16 goals so far for Grimsby.

Dancingwilldoit · 06-12-2016, 14:38

Blue,
You avoid answering who else he could have picked to do a better job. When the players trot out onto the pitch it doesn't matter if the manager stands with his arms folded or turns somersaults on the touchline, if their minds are off it they wont perform. We don't know whats going on behind the scenes but you would have to be very naïve to think that off field events don't have a negative impact on the team.
No matter who is picked I expect them to do what the are paid to do - play football, we didn't do that. Saturdays blame lies on the shoulders of the 11 players that were on the field.

bluepooch · 06-12-2016, 19:03

So the manager isnt paid to motivate his team then and organise the team to defend properly ? I cant believe you think Wilson and Morgan are blameless .
I still stand by my opinion that another manager could improve this set of players and hopefully this will be proven in the not too distant future .

Dancingwilldoit · 06-12-2016, 21:28

John Cleese and Michael Palin had difficulty motivating a dead parrot. They would probably have the same trouble motivating some of our first teamers. The manager can only do so much then its up the players. They know they cant be dropped because of a poor performance as we are at the bottom of the barrel with selections. If the players cant show any pride in themselves then that's their fault.