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Yep! I'm assuming you saw the same display at Ibrox as I did and arrived at the same conclusion of an 'ulterior motive' that moves away from the dignified way that Remembrance is treated and regarded by the majority of the UK population.

[St Charles Owl]

Up to you guys what Scotland does, you are correct some symbols in Scotland have other connotations that they don't in England and the poppy and Union Jack are just two of them. But surely the precedent for this sort of display was set when Ireland wore a shirt earlier this year that remembered the 100th anniversary of those killed in the Easter Monday uprising??

Besides, the right minded among us have to stop groups hijacking national symbols for their own purpose?? It took years for the flag of St George and Union Jack to be taken back from the right wing fascists who used it as their symbol, we mustnt let that happen again.

[hibeejim21]

Up to you guys what Scotland does, you are correct some symbols in Scotland have other connotations that they don't in England and the poppy and Union Jack are just two of them.   But surely the precedent for this sort of display was set when Ireland wore a shirt earlier this year that remembered the 100th anniversary of those killed in the Easter Monday uprising??

Besides, the right minded among us have to stop groups hijacking national symbols for their own purpose??  It took years for the flag of St George and Union Jack to be taken back from the right wing fascists who used it as their symbol, we mustnt let that happen again.

No-one has answered the question. Why was there not the same furore in 1999 the day before remembrance sunday when neither side wore anything ? England even played on armistice day in 1987 when world war 1 veterans were still living. Again no poppy.

That said I think FIFA should allow it,just to shut up the hysteria in the right wing press. Even in the commons yesterday politicians were shrieking about it whilst they have happily sold weaponry to regimes that murder civilians or sending british servicemen to war on spurious reason.

With the ROI issue,i'm sure the game was a friendly and I'm not certain this particular rule applies with those but I might be wrong.

[St Charles Owl]

Jeez Jim, I don't remember what I was doing in 1999 so I am sure I don't remember what FIFA or the respective FAs were doing or thinking!!! Not sure it matter now anyway, different time and different regimes at both. Same question is why FIFA allowed the armbands to be worn last time but not this time??

[hibeejim21]

Whatever Britain was doing in 1999 it wasn't get outraged about the lack of poppies on shirts the day before remembrance sunday in a Scotland England match. Lets put it that way.

[St Charles Owl]

I'll take your word on that!! I'm not sure poppys on shirts was a thing back then was it?? It's a fairly recent addition isn't it?

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I would also add we never really got as outraged over things back then either. I wonder if the fuel for all our rants is the abundance of social media and our ability to now easily engage and in some cases even know about these things we get outraged over!! Not sure that's a good thing or not but there weren't many platforms to be outraged on back then.

[hibeejim21]

I'll take your word on that!!  I'm not sure poppys on shirts was a thing back then was it??  It's a fairly recent addition isn't it?

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I would also add we never really got as outraged over things back then either. I wonder if the fuel for all our rants is the abundance of social media and our ability to now easily engage and in some cases even know about these things we get outraged over!!  Not sure that's a good thing or not but there weren't many platforms to be outraged on back then.

Why is it a big thing now ? That's the point.

[St Charles Owl]

I assume it's a big thing now because we have been told we can't do it by FIFA!! Being told no tends to get the blood flowing a bit!! And of course it's a bigger than usual thing I believe because of social media and how it latches onto stories like this.

That's your point, not necessarily anyone else's!! We are free to make a big deal out of anything these days.

[themaclad]

Maybe wearing means more now as we are older and know more as to why we wear it as to when we were younger if you get my drift

[hibeejim21]

I'm more upset about us being forced by fifa to wear that pink xxxx strip.