Disgusted !

**spireitematt** · (This post was last modified: 10-04-2018, 18:13 by spireitematt.)

(10-04-2018, 00:23)bluepooch Wrote: Hang on by that reckoning you could argue all the managers gave youth a chance as they all would have had at some stage young players in the team ! So therefore Wilson gave no more a chance to youngsters than any of the others .
Onofwigun and Simons (and Gboly) didn't come through the youth system ,I'm pretty sure they were all signed by Cook.

Yeah Simons was signed from Ilkeston. Gboly was released by Leeds and we signed him. Onovwigun was released by Brentford youth team and we signed him. Since leaving Chesterfield Onovwigun has been at 6 different clubs in non-league.

(10-04-2018, 12:34)Devongone Wrote: I think the point Matt is trying to make is that if you don't give players a run at first team football, they never EVER can become first players.

Exactly. I think if you finish mid-table and have nothing to play for then you give youth players a run out to see if they can make the step up.

bluepooch · 10-04-2018, 20:17

What level is Jacob playing at Dev ? just asking because to score 41 goals at this stage of the season in pretty impressive .
He has clearly developed mentally and I'm sure someone will take a chance on him before long.
I liked his dad .

**spireitematt** · 10-04-2018, 20:28

(10-04-2018, 20:17)bluepooch Wrote: What level is Jacob playing at Dev ? just asking because to score 41 goals at this stage of the season in pretty impressive .
He has clearly developed mentally and I'm sure someone will take a chance on him before long.
I liked his dad .

Hazel? Plays for Frickley Atheltic in the Northern League Division One South which is 4 divisions below Chesterfield.

bluepooch · 10-04-2018, 20:31

Cheers Matt ,maybe stepping up 4 divisions would be too big a jump.

Devongone · (This post was last modified: 11-04-2018, 16:24 by Devongone.)

Almost all Dennis's goals were scored at one level higher.

Plenty of other teams recruit successfully at that level. Jacob'd have cost nothing. And remember he scored loads of goals (19 in 13 games I think) when we sent him on loan to Norway's lower divisions ........ but we let him go after that, what did he have to do to convince us? Maybe he wouldn't make it, but compare him to Giles Coke, hardly kicked a ball in two seasons, yet we gave him a deal and he's only been fit for a week so far.

To give you an idea, as Frickley are near the top of their division and Matlock near the bottom of theirs the two teams should be roughly the same standard. Jamie Vardy was playing for Stocksbridge when he began moving up the pyramid. Stocksbridge are below halfway to Frickley's fourth, same division. I can't find an up-to-date record of Jacob's goalscoring at the moment. He was on 26 goals from 28 games. Now he'll be up around 40 games and he's had a few misfires in recent weeks, and I doubt the very heavy going suits him, but Saturday was another hat-trick.

It seems to me we signed a whole raft of worse bets than Jacob. BUT I'm also sure that by not stretching young players you can create a lad who just becomes good at around the level you set for him. So Jacob might only be able to succeed at his current level - he has a decent record with several different clubs - and I'm afraid that's what we'll do to Ricky German. On the other hand there's a belief in football that real goalscorers can move up a few levels and still find the onion bag.