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RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - hibeejim21 - 13-12-2019
Labour just about held Sunderland central ffs.....and that was only with the help of the Brexit Party!!
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - spireitematt - 13-12-2019
Tories in for another 5 years and the possibility of my team ceasing to exist at the end of the season is really really depressing.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - hibeejim21 - 13-12-2019
(13-12-2019, 02:39)spireitematt Wrote: Tories in for another 5 years and the possibility of my team ceasing to exist at the end of the season is really really depressing.
Labour will rise again with a more competent leader at the helm and when brexit is more in the background. Not for some time now though.
Hopefully your team will be ok too.
The labour boy who's lost stoke is blaming Remainers in the shadow cabinet, for 'sacrificing' the labour leave seats to cover their own arses and leadership bids.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - spireitematt - 13-12-2019
(13-12-2019, 02:44)hibeejim21 Wrote:(13-12-2019, 02:39)spireitematt Wrote: Tories in for another 5 years and the possibility of my team ceasing to exist at the end of the season is really really depressing.
Labour will rise again with a more competent leader at the helm and when brexit is more in the background. Not for some time now though.
Hopefully your team will be ok too.
I hope so. I really do.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - Amelia Chaffinch - 13-12-2019
Labour did cock up when they started ignoring their constituents. I know all parties did it to varying degrees but mostly labour.
My worry is what the Tories will be able to do now unopposed.
Btw Barnsley has remained labour but the brexit party ran my MP closer than I would like but not unexpected.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - hibeejim21 - 13-12-2019
(13-12-2019, 06:39)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: Labour did cock up when they started ignoring their constituents. I know all parties did it to varying degrees but mostly labour.
My worry is what the Tories will be able to do now unopposed.
Btw Barnsley has remained labour but the brexit party ran my MP closer than I would like but not unexpected.
Amelia,
The problem they have is their vote is now split. They have the patriotic,working class,post industrial north/midland brexiters. And the metropolitan, immigrant,student remainers in the cities and big urban areas.
Finding someone who can speak to them both and keep the labour party together is going to be nigh on impossible. Corbyn got away with it last time because his fence straddling got the benefit of the doubt.
Also the current dumbed down,identity political landscape suits the tories and bojo more. Sadly, when this all goes tits up, the working class northerners who voted for Johnson will, unlike the bankers, be made to pay for the calamity that ensues
(13-12-2019, 02:01)0762 Wrote: Jim, I totally agree it is another hurdle to "jump over" when it eventually comes and the British state will "throw everything" at the Scottish populace to deter lotsa people again as experienced in 2014. I'm just curious to see how undemocratic Johnson and his fascist chums are gonna be because they are shit heids 100% with a shit heid agenda to ignore and tell Scotland to f### off - the words of our equal Unionist partner (NOT!) and we will be on a constitutional "collision course". It is clear we are two very different countries with totally different political values and directions - progressive, pragmatic governance v shameless fascists who should be nowhere near 10 Downing Street but it looks like England has been "landed" with these bastards AGAIN!! ALSO LOOKS LIKE THE SNP WILL JUST WIN SWINSON'S SEAT IN E DUNBARTONSHIRE - A BIG SCALP, FINGERS CROSSED!! One caveat re the Scot exit poll figures is there are still a few marginal seats to consider - I hope we win them all BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A "LANDSLIDE VICTORY" FOR THE SNP ANYWAY AND THE SCOTTISH PRESS ARE "GOING WITH IT"!
Scotland is now, essentially, an independent state.
Labour can't win without its old Scottish seats. And Labour can never be conservative enough for England. We are living with a one party government picked by a country other than our own. It can't continue, its unsustainable.
The UK is finished.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - WakeyTerrier - 13-12-2019
Absolutely fantastic result. I type as a remainer but first and foremost someone who believes in democracy.
The Conservative party want to get brexit done, the British public voted for brexit so let’s get it done and then we can get on with rebuilding the UK.
I’m delighted my MP Paula Sherriff has lost, she constantly blocked brexit in the HoP despite a brexit vote by her constituents, the same applies for Wakefield Mary Creagh. They don’t deserve jobs they didn’t represent the general public in parliament
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - WBA-Josh - 13-12-2019
The Tories have kept hold of my St Ives constituency.
I and my Dad both voted for Andrew George even though we both distrust the Lib Dems so we played our part in tactical voting.
Bollocks.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - spireitematt - 13-12-2019
Seat where I live has turned Tory but only just there was just under 600 votes in it.
Labour lost this election because back in 2017 they stood on a manifesto saying they would respect the EU referendum but after 2017, Corbyn sat on the fence trying to please both the Remainers and the Leavers in the party and in this election he said he would give another referendum on the issue. Labour have become too London centric and too middle class and they took the heartlands for granted, we have to remember a lot of the now former Labour heartlands voted Leave in the 2016 referendum and they felt ignored by Labour not just in the 2016 referendum but for such a long time. We also have to look at the fact that Corbyn was hugely disliked by the electorate and the manifesto was not realistic and just one big wish list.
I knew this was coming because he had no clear direction on Brexit, he should have come out for Leave and said he was going to get a deal instead of sitting on the fence and trying to please everyone.
Corbyn has to go now, I thought he should have gone after 2017 but people hailed 2017 as a win when it wasn't. Momentum, the militants, the marxists and the far left need to xxxx off otherwise Labour will never win another election. Labour need to move back to the centre left and the party needs a leader who can build a credible opposition who can take on the Tories but they also need to get out of this middle class, London, Westminister bubble and go to places like the North, Wales, Scotland and speak and ask the people what they want instead of thinking they know what's best for them. They need to work with the working classes and not just put an arm around them and say we are with you.
Labour have lost 4 elections in a row and it's very very likely they will lose in 2024 because of the big majority that the Conservatives have got it would have to take something really really special to overturn that.
RE: A UK General Election and Trump already "sticking his nose" in it.... - Lord Snooty - 13-12-2019
Well we have to face it, we ain't ever gonna fulfill the dream of a proper socialist government. Labour will now have to be seen to elect a more moderate leader, just to claw back the lost seats from last night. Never mind forming a government.
We're always up against it. People just don't want better lives for themselves and the rest of the community. They really couldn't give a toss about those in poverty, the homeless, refugees and most alarmingly, the threat of climate change.
To back in such numbers, a prime minister who wouldn't even attend the debate on the environment but sent his dad, just shows the majority of the country just couldn't give a flying feck.
