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Brexit or Chesterfield FC - spireitematt - 04-09-2019

I really don't know what's worse at the moment Brexit or our current form.

As it stands it's P9 W0 D5 L4. We sit 3rd from bottom and currently staring at a 3rd relegation in 4 seasons. I've supported this club for 14-15 years (a lot less than some of you) I've seen 2 promotions, 4 relegations, seen many managers and players come and go in that time but I've never seen a side as worse as this one now, I think this side is worse than the team which got relegated from L2. After a game has kicked off (in the 1st or 2nd half) I expect us to concede because that's where we are normally conceding goals.

I said before the start of the season that I thought we would be near the top or near the playoffs but looking back now I was too overly optimistic and the warning signs were there to see during pre-season when we were struggling against teams in the Northern Premier League and below. I feel like my enthusiasm for this club is dwindling as each game goes along this season, I'm finding it very difficult to stay optimistic and look for the positives but I can't find any, even Alastair Campbell would find it impossible to spin this. Sooner or later I will reach a breaking point like Dev has done and like many fans are already doing. As it stands it looks like the fans are the only one's who care. Attendances are already starting to fall though as fans can't justify paying £18-£22 to watch the current performances. There were 3,844 fans there tonight and 3,363 were home fans which is the lowest turnout ever at the Proact by home fans for a league match.

It's difficult to get your head round that we were in touching distance of the Championship back in 2015 and now we look like we are in touching distance of regional football or even liquidation but don't worry we get told 'We've never had it so good'.

Unlike Dev I will still buy the Non-League paper as I like reading about other teams and there performances.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - Devongone - 04-09-2019

I missed the NLP too.

It's about 60 years of mostly downs I'm trying to cast off.

This simply isn't our club. If it were I'd be going down with the ship.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - SaltergateBorn - 04-09-2019

That`s a very interesting analogy you draw there, Matt, between CFC and Brexit.

I suppose it`s true that incompetence takes many forms and that corporate and political are just 2 of them. I agree that both of them make you want to crawl into a quiet corner, sit down and weep. (I think that`s what you`re saying; it`s certainly how I feel right now.) Like you I try to be optimistic, although I`m not as committed a member of the It`ll get Better Soon Party as you are; I`m just an Associate Member. However, and really for the first time, I`m starting to think seriously about where this is going to end. I`ve been trying to think of another event that I`ve watched with the same mixture of disbelief, horror and fascination that I`m feeling about our current plight and I have to admit that I`m struggling. I suppose the build-up to the invasion of Iraq comes close, but that had the added ingredient of blatant mendacity, so it`s not quite the same.

Whatever your opinions about how the club has come to be where it is – and I`m sure we`ve all got plenty of those – I don`t think anyone that argue that CFC is a very sick puppy right now so the question has to be asked about whether euthanasia would be the kindest and most humane option. I honestly think I`d prefer that to the humiliation of seeing us in the National League North. At least it would clear the decks and allow some sort of Chesterfield Phoenix FC to regenerate from the ashes. Whether or not that has any chance of happening depends, of course, on the intentions and inclinations of one man; who knows what they are?

I didn`t go last night so if you did, Dancing, please let`s have your thoughts. I`ve read virtually everything that Stephen King has ever written over the years and like a good horror story; I`ve got the stomach for a bit of gore. Sadly (and I do mean that most sincerely, folks) I really don`t feel that I can summon up any more the will to commit the time or financial outlay involved just to witness the horror first-hand. I`m not going to turn my back completely on the club as you`ve decided to, Dev – I`ve no doubt at all that I`ll be scuttling back up the M1 again at the first signs of any recuperation – but for now I`d rather watch things unfold from a distance. I feel quite ashamed to be saying that, but there we are.

Historically, we`ve always had lower gates for mid-week games but it would be staggering if attendances didn`t drop away; I`m amazed they haven`t before now, to be honest, and I think that says a hell of a lot about the loyalty of the core fan-base. Perhaps that would be for the best, though, in the long term. If enough people stay away, the club would no longer be financially viable, DA would have to sell or liquidate (probably the latter – I don`t think he`d be prepared to accept any offer that anybody in their right mind would be prepared to make) and the club could then reconstitute with some goodwill behind it. God, have I really just said that?


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - Dancingwilldoit - 04-09-2019

Last night was a strange one. My wife wasn't very well so I went on my own for the first time in about 20 years.
First half we were poor. Apart from a Boden header just wide and a bit of a goal line clearance there wasn't much to shout about. Halifax carved us open (again) for the first and the second was an unmarked header (again). When I say unmarked, it was from a corner and there wasnt a CFC player within 2 yards of him. They hit the crossbar as well and we were lucky we went in 0-2 half time. The team were rightly booed off.
Second half we went another goal down within minutes, another bit of scramble on the goal line but in this case it ended in the net. In all honesty I very nearly thought sod this I've got better things to do when all of a sudden a ch1nk of light appeared. We actually started to play football. Its not very often I get to say this so I will say it again, we actually started to play football.
We started passing the ball to our own players, we started to close them down, we started to look like we were interested. Fondops goal was a good one from a Mcglashan cross, and we started to pile on some pressure. Rowley (have to say he had a good game but 1 in about 60 isnt good enough) scored a good goal but too late and it looked like we might just nick a draw but it wasn't to be.

What to say after that, I dont know but:
Gerrard is still overweight and slow but looked a bit slimmer last night and had a decent game
Weston came on as a sub and had a big impact as did Yarney
Rowley gave the ball away for their first but second half he looked like the player we all knew was there but was hiding somewhere.
Coddington was at fault for their 3rd and his distribution was awful. Dont know what him and Jalal do in training but it obviously doesnt involve a football.
Hollis was terrible and I lost count of the number of times he gave the ball away.
Maguire was OK but will somebody please take him to one side in training and show him that that thing on the end of his right leg is a foot and teach him how to kick with it. He is so one footed its easily predictable where the ball is going - usually backwards.
The rest were about average but Sheridans decision to take Boden off and replace him with Mckay was just mind boggling.
I make that 13 since we won a league game. Ok it was better but still nowhere near a win and nowhere near good enough.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - Devongone - 04-09-2019

Salts I felt so sad when I read about you and your son going to Stockport. That's how it should be. Football is a chance for family, community, inter-generational involvement ...... It establishes friendships ......... and rivalries .... I'd miss, am missing, the people on here. I was sad because you were doing everything right and Chesterfield doesn't now notice or care. It wouldn't turn a hair at losing me after 60 years ..... fukinell I even played at Saltergate two nights together .... These people aren't only wiping out our club, but they're stealing part of our lives and our history!

I hope we're not those people bellowing at the end of Downing Street or waving EU flags on College Green.

I've reached innocent bystander on that issue so long ago I'd only point out to Remoaners that if every election in my life in which the result had been warped by lies and half-truths were re-run we'd be having more re-elections than the police can find cold-cases. Shut the fck up and somebody put the ball in one net or the other, perlease. If my medicines run out I'l just have to live or die - it's quite natural. Maybe Brexit's the answer to over-population. Perhaps the new phoenix Chesterfield could be called Chesterfield Brexit.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - spireitematt - 04-09-2019

(04-09-2019, 09:12)SaltergateBorn Wrote: That`s a very interesting analogy you draw there, Matt, between CFC and Brexit.

I suppose it`s true that incompetence takes many forms and that corporate and political are just 2 of them. I agree that both of them make you want to crawl into a quiet corner, sit down and weep. (I think that`s what you`re saying; it`s certainly how I feel right now.) Like you I try to be optimistic, although I`m not as committed a member of the It`ll get Better Soon Party as you are; I`m just an Associate Member. However, and  really for the first time, I`m starting to think seriously about where this is going to end. I`ve been trying to think of another event that I`ve watched with the same mixture of disbelief, horror and fascination that I`m feeling about our current plight and I have to admit that I`m struggling. I suppose the build-up to the invasion of Iraq comes close, but that had the added ingredient of blatant mendacity, so it`s not quite the same.

Whatever your opinions about how the club has come to be where it is – and I`m sure we`ve all got plenty of those – I don`t think anyone that argue that CFC is a very sick puppy right now so the question has to be asked about whether euthanasia would be the kindest and most humane option. I honestly think I`d prefer that to the humiliation of seeing us in the National League North. At least it would clear the decks and allow some sort of Chesterfield Phoenix FC to regenerate from the ashes. Whether or not that has any chance of happening depends, of course, on the intentions and inclinations of one man; who knows what they are?

I didn`t go last night so if you did, Dancing, please let`s have your thoughts. I`ve read virtually everything that Stephen King has ever written over the years and like a good horror story; I`ve got the stomach for a bit of gore. Sadly (and I do mean that most sincerely, folks) I really don`t feel that I can summon up any more the will to commit the time or financial outlay involved just to witness the horror first-hand. I`m not going to turn my back completely on the club as you`ve decided to, Dev – I`ve no doubt at all that I`ll be scuttling back up the M1 again at the first signs of any recuperation  – but for now I`d rather watch things unfold from a distance. I feel quite ashamed to be saying that, but there we are.

Historically, we`ve always had lower gates for mid-week games but it would be staggering if attendances didn`t drop away; I`m amazed they haven`t before now, to be honest, and I think that says a hell of a lot about the loyalty of the core fan-base.  Perhaps that would be for the best, though, in the long term. If enough people stay away, the club would no longer be financially viable, DA would have to sell or liquidate (probably the latter – I don`t think he`d be prepared to accept any offer that anybody in their right mind would be prepared to make) and the club could then reconstitute with some goodwill behind it. God, have I really just said that?

That is correct SB although I wouldn't say crawl in a corner, sit down and weep, with me it's more. What the xxxx is going on? and we are now through the looking glass people. I try to be optimistic but its very very difficult at the minute and I wouldn't say I am a committed member of the 'It'll get better party' or a happy clapper. I don't know where this is going to end but it feels like we've been scraping the barrel for a long time now and that we are going to go through the bottom of it.

I agree that everyone will have opinions on why we are where we are. We all have opinions and views and we might not agree 100% of the time but we all have one thing in common and that's supporting Chesterfield FC and wanting the best for it. I find it difficult to see how we will survive if we get relegated to National League North especially with the debt. A mate of mine who is a Stockport fan told me there is a lot of similarities of what Stockport went through and what we are currently going through. You've only got to look at York City and Torquay United to see how far ex football league clubs can fall.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - SaltergateBorn - 05-09-2019

Believe me, Matt, I wasn`t accusing you of being a happy clapper in any way whatsoever and I meant nothing at all derogatory in what I said; sorry if i gave that impression. There`s no doubt, though, that out of all of us you`ve been the one that`s managed to stay most upbeat about our situation over the last couple of years. I genuinely admire and envy your positivity and wish I could find it in me to match it. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I can`t any more; sad to say, but when it comes to positivity right now I`m running on empty as far as far as both our football club and our politicians are concerned.

There`s no need to feel sad about my trip to Stockport with my son, Dev. The result was disappointing, but apart from that we had a bloody good day out. The missus and I are actually toying with the idea of moving up to that part of the world sometime in the next 12 months, but for the moment we are quite a distance apart and, with him being a busy fellah and having a young family of his own now, we don`t get many opportunities to get together for a good chinwag. It was a beautiful day last Monday weather-wise and being able to get the train in meant that neither of us had to drive, so we could have a few pints as well – which made it even more enjoyable. (Despite everything, discussions regarding Chorley away are currently ongoing.)

You can take it as a given that my flag-waving days are long gone. In fact, the truth is they never really arrived; I never was into that sort of thing. As far as I can recall, the last time I waved one was at the semi-final at Old Trafford in 1997. (Oh, those halcyon days!) I have to confess that I do occasionally bellow with rage at our politicians, but only via the television screen. Mind you, if Question Time ever came to our neck of the woods.........

Thanks for the report, Dancing. The gist of it seems to be that we played quite well for part of the game, but were crap for a larger part. That seems to be a fairly consistent theme this season, which I`d suggest is largely why we are where we are. I think it`s ironic that JS has always made such a big thing about getting consistency from the players from one match to another and it seems we can`t even get it from one half to another. Given the level of experience of a lot of the players as well as the management, it really beggars belief.

As you rightly say, Matt; what the XXXX is going on?


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - spireitematt - 05-09-2019

(05-09-2019, 13:10)SaltergateBorn Wrote: Believe me, Matt, I wasn`t accusing you of being a happy clapper in any way whatsoever and I meant nothing at all derogatory in what I said; sorry if i gave that impression. There`s no doubt, though, that out of all of us you`ve been the one that`s managed to stay most upbeat about our situation over the last couple of years. I genuinely admire and envy your positivity and wish I could find it in me to match it. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, I can`t any more; sad to say, but when it comes to positivity right now I`m running on empty as far as far as both our football club and our politicians are concerned.

There`s no need to feel sad about my trip to Stockport with my son, Dev. The result was disappointing, but apart from that we had a bloody good day out. The missus and I are actually toying with the idea of moving up to that part of the world sometime in the next 12 months, but for the moment we are quite a distance apart and, with him being a busy fellah and having a young family of his own now, we don`t get many opportunities to get together for a good chinwag. It was a beautiful day last Monday weather-wise and being able to get the train in meant that neither of us had to drive, so we could have a few pints as well – which made it even more enjoyable. (Despite everything, discussions regarding Chorley away are currently ongoing.)

You can take it as a given that my flag-waving days are long gone. In fact, the truth is they never really arrived; I never was into that sort of thing. As far as I can recall, the last time I waved one was at the semi-final at Old Trafford in 1997. (Oh, those halcyon days!)  I have to confess that I do occasionally bellow with rage at our politicians, but only via the television screen. Mind you, if Question Time ever came to our neck of the woods.........

Thanks for the report, Dancing. The gist of it seems to be that we played quite well for part of the game, but were crap for a larger part. That seems to be a fairly consistent theme this season, which I`d suggest is largely why we are where we are. I think it`s ironic that JS has always made such a big thing about getting consistency from the players from one match to another and it seems we can`t even get it from one half to another.  Given the level of experience of a lot of the players as well as the management, it really beggars belief.

As you rightly say, Matt; what the XXXX is going on?

Don't worry, no offence has been taken. I have managed to stay upbeat and optimistic over the last few years but it's slowly starting to dwindle. I find the current situation annoying and frustrating. I've read on social media that a lot of fans feel empty now and aren't even bothering following the matches and one fan said he didn't celebrate the goals the other night against Halifax and instead just sat there.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - spireitematt - 08-09-2019

10 games without a win now. Can't we prorogue the rest of the season? Things got quite heated at the end of the game between the fans and players. Only good thing to come out of today is Derbyshire won and have reached the finals day of the T20 for the first time ever.


RE: Brexit or Chesterfield FC - Dancingwilldoit - 08-09-2019

I really do not want to say I told you so as this is still my team, but I think the penny is finally dropping with fans that Sheridan isn't the messiah and wont get us out of the division.
If as he says he doesnt know what to do then it probably needs the fans to give their honest opinions to the players and give them a bollocking as nobody else seems bothered about doing it. I can tell him what to do - resign and take Gerrard with you.
Yesterday the team traveled down leaving the Proact at 7-00am. The commentators on Radio Sheffield said how jaded they all looked before the game started and that they had all walked around the pitch 5 times when they arrived at 2-00 to stretch their legs. They said that it was noticeable that nobody spoke with another player and it was obvious from that and the warm up that team spirit was non existent.
That's the John Sheridan effect.