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Seventieth Minute Goodbye - Devongone - 26-08-2019
Minute 70. 1-0 down a Stockport. We take off Boden and replace him with Weir.
I've tried to keep going. It's been a lifetime after all, but John Sheridan you finally killed it.
Not only did you select Gerrard who was so bad you had to sub him at half time against Barrow, but now you take off a goalscorer for a certified prick when we are losing.
What's the point in commenting further or chatting about football? It's nothing to do with us. You'd rather play behind closed doors at Staveley.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - Dancingwilldoit - 26-08-2019
Just beggars belief. Not only was the lump of lard selected, he was captain. Looking forward to SGB's take on it.
Joint bottom, no wins, no purpose, no direction, no fooking idea, thats our man.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - spireitematt - 26-08-2019
That was so frustrating! First half nothing seemed to separate both teams and when we got to HT at 0-0 I thought we've got a real chance of getting something here. 2nd half I missed there first goal so can't comment as I was getting a pastie and a drink for my sister (her first ever football match, doubt she'll be a convert).
Our defence is woeful, we don't close down players when they are on the ball and let them overrun us and allow them space to create opportunities. The midfield can't seem to string passes together and give possession away cheaply. The forwards today weren't clinical enough and wasted the opportunities that we did create (which weren't many). We were outplayed, outthought and outfought by Stockport who seemed to up the tempo, pace and took control of the game after going ahead 1-0.
We had players shooting from ridiculous range and angles that didn't even seem to trouble their goalkeeper. We wasted set-pieces and the only best chance of the 2nd half we had was when Rowley ran down Stockport's left hand side (they were vulnerable their) and crossed the ball in and their keeper pulled off a decent save.
Could not believe that we took off Boden for Weir. We were 1-0 down! Why take off a striker for a midfielder? The mind boggles it really does. When your 1-0 down and looking for a goal wouldn't you take off a midfielder and put another striker on? play as a 4-3-3.
Only positive out today was Derbyshire beat Lancashire in the T20 to reach the quarter-finals.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - Devongone - 27-08-2019
I'm sorry, but after all these years I have to stop taking an interest in a team which no longer wants to win. Our owner doesn't care about us and I just can't fathom our manager's attitude. He spent the summer doing nothing whilst teams with no money were able to recruit decent players and now he seems accidentally or deliberately to be experimenting with bizarre decision-making processes and X-File team sheets and substitutions.
Our young players are marooned behind closed doors and destined to progression ever backwards. We have a lard-ass proto-thug as captain with the turning circle of a super-tanker and the pace of a coral polyp who, despite his age, has never been much of a player, and when we are goal down we take off our most likely late goalscorer and replace him with a player who at his best never averaged more than two goals a season ....... We clearly want to go down.
I need to spend my time on more fruitful pursuits. I've cancelled my weekly Non-League Paper. I have to forget about predicting scores and looking how the National League fares. Chesterfield has to be dead to me. We are anyway; it's only the fans who won't lie down. I've considered writing to the club, but am wondering if it's worth the ink to make me feel marginally better.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - Dancingwilldoit - 27-08-2019
Dont give up Dev. Get yourself an allotment, dig a big hole and sit in it hurling abuse at anybody that comes near you. Its very therapeutic and if you sit there long enough you will end up with some good compost.
P.S. Tell your butcher he's a wind up merchant.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - SaltergateBorn - 27-08-2019
Following sports of any kind is a fickle business, isn`t it? First the euphoria of Headingley, then the despondency of Edgeley Park. I got home from our family visit several hours ago and I`ve spent all of them so far watching the highlights of the fourth day of the Test Match; I`ve watched them about 10 times so far and will probably get bored after another 15 or so. Probably. Ying and yang, as they say.
Well, Dancing, you said you`d be interested in hearing my thoughts about the Stockport game so I`ll post them. Please don`t start throwing bricks through my window if I say that I kind of (sort of) understood the rationale behind the substitution of Boden for Weir. At that stage our defence was at risk of being over-run and JS obviously decided that we needed somebody in front of the back line to give them extra protection; what`s more, Boden had been pretty much anonymous for the whole of the second half to that point - McGlashan and Falop were the only ones who seemed to be posing any sort of threat (and that wasn`t much of one) – so I don`t think it was such a controversial decision. We also don`t know whether he`d had a knock, of course.
I`d argue with you, Matt, about the first half being even; I thought we were pretty much in charge for nearly all of it. We controlled midfield and limited Stockport to a few breakaways, but couldn`t take advantage, which is always ominous. Apart from a header that Maguire put over the bar and that he really should at least have got on target and a shot from the edge of the area (I think it was Boden) that I was right behind the line of and I swear was going in off the post but for a full-length finger-tip save from their `keeper, we really didn`t create many clear-cut chances. It was also noticeable that nearly all of our threat was coming down our right wing, but as soon as Stockport sussed this out and doubled up on McGlashan even that was nullified to a great extent.
My son said at half-time that we looked by far the better side; my response was that teams that dominate like that but don`t make the most of it tend to pay for it later.
Sadly, it took about 30 seconds of the second half for my prediction to prove accurate. (Why can`t my predictions in the Prediction League be as accurate as that?) Okay, it was a wicked deflection and there was a large slice of luck about it, but it has to be said that from there on Stockport played us off the park and, with the exception of one decent move that nearly produced a chance, we reverted to long-ball stuff that rarely looked like producing anything. They looked far quicker in both thought and movement and I lost count of how many times the ball went flashing across the front of our goal. I thought we could easily have been 2-0 up at half-time, but by the end I reckon that 5-2 wouldn`t have been an injustice.
It was noticeable to me that, even in the first half when we weren`t under any real pressure, our defence looked fragile and prone to panic. By the second half, the lack of confidence and self-belief that was evident in the first half of last season was again plain to see throughout the team; nobody really wanted to hold the ball so we reverted to the long-ball game – not quite hoofball, but you know what I mean. There was no movement up front, no attempt to draw their defence out of position and it was really a question of what we could keep the score down to. Very disappointing.
The sad thing is that, apart from the second half, the result (obviously) and one other thing laddo and I had a really good day out. We got the train from Newtown to Stockport so could have a few pints before the game; there were several very hospitable pubs within a few hundred yards of the ground, all with both sets of supporters mingling and not the slightest hint of any aggro; just like it should be. I realised that I`d never been to Edgeley Park before – I don`t know why; I should have – but it did remind me an awful lot of the atmosphere around Gigg Lane.
Sadly, at the end of the game some of our ‘supporters’ gave us another rendition of the old Eurovision favourite “You`re Not Fit to Wear the Shirt”, which I personally find repugnant. We`re supposed to be there to support the players, not to tear to shreds the little self-confidence they clearly have. It was a very hot day and nobody shirked; nobody threw in the towel, it seemed to me. They all kept going to the end, so I think they deserved a bit more respect than that.
I can`t see any point in throwing in the towel and walking away, Dev. We`re all hurting just as much as you are right now, but at least there`s a better than even chance that we`ll still have a club to support in a few weeks` time – unlike a couple I could name. I suppose we could always try to recruit Ben Stokes in some capacity; we could certainly use a sprinkle of his stardust at the moment.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - Dancingwilldoit - 27-08-2019
I think the problem with the Boden thing is playing him on the wing again where he was poor on Sat. A winger he is not. When we went behind, even if we were being overrun, why take off our top scorer? Why not move him centrally where he should be alongside Falop. Why bring on Weir? A loss is a loss whether it be 2-0 or 5-0, at least try and score some goals.
Sheridan was just on the radio saying he didn't expect it to be like this???? He implied that he underestimated the teams in our league and actually said that our players don't listen to what they are told. Allen and our non Director Carson have just given him the comfort of "He's going nowhere".
Our position in the league is down to JS signings and team selections and our totally strange pre season friendly fixtures resulting in him admitting he didnt know his best team was for the opening game in the season.
"Were doomed I tell thee"
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - spireitematt - 27-08-2019
(27-08-2019, 19:31)SaltergateBorn Wrote: I`d argue with you, Matt, about the first half being even; I thought we were pretty much in charge for nearly all of it. We controlled midfield and limited Stockport to a few breakaways, but couldn`t take advantage, which is always ominous. Apart from a header that Maguire put over the bar and that he really should at least have got on target and a shot from the edge of the area (I think it was Boden) that I was right behind the line of and I swear was going in off the post but for a full-length finger-tip save from their `keeper, we really didn`t create many clear-cut chances. It was also noticeable that nearly all of our threat was coming down our right wing, but as soon as Stockport sussed this out and doubled up on McGlashan even that was nullified to a great extent.
I wouldn't say we controlled the first half. We managed to stop them in the first half because we had everyone running back to defend, Boden kept running back down the left hand side and was defending like a LB at one stage. We wasted an opportunity at one stage when we hit a long ball to Boden but it bounced over him and went for a Goal kick. Maguire was unlucky not to get that in. It was Rowley not Boden who forced there keeper to make a decent save.
The reason why we went down the right wing a lot was because Stockport were vulnerable on the left. They did have a good LB called Duxbury but he went to AFC Fylde. A Stockport fan I know told me that their keeper has been involved in either a playoff campaign or a promotion in 6 of the last 7 seasons, two with Stockport, four with AFC Fylde.
(27-08-2019, 19:31)SaltergateBorn Wrote: The sad thing is that, apart from the second half, the result (obviously) and one other thing laddo and I had a really good day out. We got the train from Newtown to Stockport so could have a few pints before the game; there were several very hospitable pubs within a few hundred yards of the ground, all with both sets of supporters mingling and not the slightest hint of any aggro; just like it should be. I realised that I`d never been to Edgeley Park before – I don`t know why; I should have – but it did remind me an awful lot of the atmosphere around Gigg Lane.
Newtown New Mills Station?
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - Devongone - 28-08-2019
Boden's one major skill is scoring goals and he scores a lot towards the end of games because he's spent a lot of his career coming off the sub's bench AND the scrambles in goalmouths near the end seem to be his environment of choice. Taking him off for a prick like Weir can't be justified. He can't score, attack or defend. Sheridan was giving one of his mates a run and hoping someone would turn the game around. Significantly Boden has played badly when paired with Fondop, which may simply be that he has been pushed out of the only position he can play.
If the club showed any affinity for its support I could take defeat and relegation down to the Hope Valley League, but as a club we are dead. The club is what it is presenting onfield, a disjointed warring mish mash. Sheridan is simply repeating his previous relegation season with us. He can spot and cure the mistakes predecessors make, but he is blind to his own errors and if he reacts he'll make them worse. Watch out for a new incarnation of Soderberg appearing.
One bright note, after last night's brace against Billericay, due to injury Ricky German has played just 88 minutes football this season. He's scored four so far, that's a goal every 22 minutes of his loan to Hemel Hempstead. On Saturday this bloke our fans said was too fat outspeeded Oxford City's defence to score. Levi Amantchi and Luke Rawson will soon be on the same pathway.
I simply have to stop doing this and caring about it. Chesterfield FC is a chimera.
RE: Seventieth Minute Goodbye - SaltergateBorn - 28-08-2019
Yes, Matt, it was New Mills Newtown; my son lives a few miles up the road in Birch Vale and commutes in from there to Piccadilly every day, so he knows the route well. I can`t believe that some of the stations up there offer free parking all day; Chinley`s the same, apparently. It certainly doesn`t happen down here; they charge an arm and a leg for parking.
It was Rowley that put in the long shot, was it? I thought it was Boden, but we were sitting right at the far end of the stand and my eyesight`s not what it used to be.
It seems a strange thing for JS to say that he wasn`t aware how high the standard was in this league; he was with us for the entire second half of last season, so that should have clued him up, I`d have thought.