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A bit of realism? - Dancingwilldoit - 28-08-2018
Ok, I never thought this league would be easy and I was well pleased with our 9 point start.
I just fail to see where all the pessimism and doom and gloom is coming from.
Ok the football isn't pretty but did anybody really expect it to be in this league?
For the last 3 seasons we have been everybody's whipping boys, we just rolled over and let them take control and the points. We had no fight and we were not losing by just 1 goal it was usually 2 or 3 or 4 at home and away.
We have just lost 4 on the bounce by a single goal - that's 1 goal. 3 of them were away from home. We are not rolling over anymore. We have got some fight back in us thank god - at last. We could have had a few more goals and a few more points but hey that's football.
We might well have at least another season in this league but so what? If it means we come back stronger, leaner and with a better team ethos and attitude I will take that. The drop and the rot may just have been halted and for that I am thankful.
If there is one area I have to question MA it would be in his substitutions. On Sat if we had seen the game out with the starting 11 we would have finished with a point and might even have nicked it. In the games against Barrow Salford and Hartlepool our substitutions had little or no impact. That needs sorting out.
We will miss Carter, we have so far and we really could do with another midfielder of his caliber. Rowley is not that player. He is too light weight and might be an impact player when a defence is tired but that's about it in this league.
RE: A bit of realism? - SaltergateBorn - 28-08-2018
Fair pont, Dancing. I think we all got a bit over-excited by those 3 wins on the bounce to start with and I suspect that the opposite is true at the moment. I certainly never expected us to go flying straight back up from this league - teams rarely do these days - and still think that the top half would be an acceptable finish this season; play-offs a bonus. I also still think that MA has the experience and the nous to achieve it, although you may be right about the substitutions.
Can I throw into the mix an interesting (to me, anyway) stat about Charlie carter? He went off in the 49th minute against Salford and, ignoring added time, to that point we`d played 319 minutes of football. In that time we scored 6 goals; that`s an average of just over 53 minutes per goal. Since then, without him, we`ve scored 1 goal in 221 minutes. Okay, that`s probably an over-simplification but it does suggest how much we`ve missed him.
RE: A bit of realism? - Devongone - 28-08-2018
We are six points off the top aren't we?
The trouble is we look easy to stop and MA hasn't given us a way to score goals yet.
Fortune's strength apparently is his guile, but because of the way he is being fed he has no way to use it. Lee Shaw says his strength is buzzing about, disrupting the opposition and picking up the pieces. He can't do that if the ball weren't over his head. He might even be a big beneficiary of Fortune's guile. And I'm sorry but I'm convinced Zavon is going to hit another flat spot.
We've spent two seasons and a half seasons just hoping goals would come. We surely have to have a way of attacking and we can't just rely on Carter. How many can he possibly score? Fifteen, turn himself into Frank Lampard and get 20 from midfield? We need another forward and another midfielder. I don't think we need a new manager, but we do need him to be more Mad Dog don't we?
And I'll just add here that Ricky German scored two more for Hendon. That's seven he's got before the end of August. They think enough of him to have entrusted him with taking a penalty too ......... which he slotted very coolly apparently! HARRRUMMMPH!
RE: A bit of realism? - spireitematt - 28-08-2018
It's still early days and the league table is pretty tight, a few wins and we could be back in the playoffs. If we end up consolidating a season in the National League then so be it and then should build a team and go for promotion. My worry is getting promotion and then coming straight back down again. If we do get promotion we need to consolidate in L2 around mid-table and slowly build on it each season and then go for promotion to L1.
RE: A bit of realism? - bluepooch - 28-08-2018
The fact is Dancing, I'm sick of losing by the odd goal .I cant be arsed to check but I bet most of our losses last season were by the odd goal.
Maybe Matt could do a calculation of how many since the start of last season we have lost and how many by the odd goal .Losing by the odd goal suggests that we aren't far away but it seems we are never getting out of it and that's the frustrating thing .
Tactical substitutions are one of the main criteria to judge a manager on but you make it sound like a minor point Dancing .
I'm surprised and disappointed with MA considering he has a good reputation ( I seem to say this about every manager we have) and maybe I should give him more time but I felt deep down the team he put together pre season lacked quality even for this division but at least he has added some decent footballers in Reid and Fortune .But the disappointing thing is he couldn't see this at the start for someone so experienced.Lets hope we can go on a good run because another couple of defeats even at this early stage will have fans staying away in droves and that will not please Uncle David.
RE: A bit of realism? - spireitematt - 28-08-2018
(28-08-2018, 22:35)bluepooch Wrote: The fact is Dancing, I'm sick of losing by the odd goal .I cant be arsed to check but I bet most of our losses last season were by the odd goal.
Maybe Matt could do a calculation of how many since the start of last season we have lost and how many by the odd goal .Losing by the odd goal suggests that we aren't far away but it seems we are never getting out of it and that's the frustrating thing .
Tactical substitutions are one of the main criteria to judge a manager on but you make it sound like a minor point Dancing .
I'm surprised and disappointed with MA considering he has a good reputation ( I seem to say this about every manager we have) and maybe I should give him more time but I felt deep down the team he put together pre season lacked quality even for this division but at least he has added some decent footballers in Reid and Fortune .But the disappointing thing is he couldn't see this at the start for someone so experienced.Lets hope we can go on a good run because another couple of defeats even at this early stage will have fans staying away in droves and that will not please Uncle David.
We lost 28 times in the league last season and 15 times we lost by the odd goal. A lot of games were 1-0, 2-1 or 3-2 which we lost. If we had got 12pts out of the 15 games we lost by the odd goal we would still be in L2.
2016-17 season
We lost 27 times in the league and 14 times we lost by the odd goal. A lot of games were 1-0 or 2-1. If a few of those 14 games were wins or draw we would have stayed in L1.
RE: A bit of realism? - bluepooch - 28-08-2018
Cheers Matt
So that's 33 x 1 goal losses in the last two and a bit seasons .Now if that's not frustrating for a fan then I dont know what is .
RE: A bit of realism? - SaltergateBorn - 29-08-2018
Very interesting, that. I wonder how abnormal that is? If you looked at all the relegated teams over the last couple of years,how many would have been saved by an extra goal in their 1-goal defeats? Going even further, what is the percentage of `result` games that have a margin of 1 goal overall ? If anybody has a day and a half to kill, they could work it out. Matt?
By the way, I won`t be going on Saturday so fully expect 90 minutes of free-flowing football and a 4 or 5 goal win.
RE: A bit of realism? - Devongone - 29-08-2018
Good questions Saltergate. At professional levels you expect mostly tight scorelines. Teams play for them - Newcastle at HOME did everything they could just to hold Chelsea close and maybe pick any stray pieces. They only lost 2-1 .... but if you scored it like boxing .......
Losing 1-0 is frustrating for fans when you are going forward and deserve at least a draw like maybe Millwall at Rotherham. Losing 1-0 because you never really got forward, spent the game hanging on and then in the 79th minute finally conceded one is only frustrating because you spend the last few minutes discovering that your team can come out of their shell and attack once it's too late.
RE: A bit of realism? - bluepooch - 29-08-2018
All good points but the fact is two seasons on we are still losing many matches by the odd goal.That gets me thinking there's a mentality issue but we have had many players over the two and a bit seasons, they cant all be mentally weak ...or can they ?.
I'm not sure if it is abnormal .obviously most losing games will be by one goal but we have lost that many games over that period it is becoming ridiculous.
Another interesting bit of research would be how many teams have ever lost as many matches as us in that amount of time .I bet there aren't many .59 losses in two and a bit seasons seems astronomical .Our fans deserve a medal or at least something back from the club in the way of an apology for delivering such a terrible product.This must be one of the most uncompetitive and highest losing periods of any professional club since records began.