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Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - Dancingwilldoit - 17-05-2018
You couldn't make it up, Carsons son boasts on twitter about winning £520 on a bet that Allen would get the managers job. The but was placed the weekend Chesterfield played Barnet.
Like father like son - forking dumb
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - spireitematt - 17-05-2018
(17-05-2018, 14:29)Dancingwilldoit Wrote: You couldn't make it up, Carsons son boasts on twitter about winning £520 on a bet that Allen would get the managers job. The but was placed the weekend Chesterfield played Barnet.
Like father like son - forking dumb
They couldn't deduct points could they?
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - Devongone - 17-05-2018
They can't deduct points - the few we are going to get are already spoken for.
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - Dancingwilldoit - 17-05-2018
Not sure Matt but 1 thing nobodies picked up on is that this would suggest the "Saturday meeting" that took place between the 2 Allens was in fact the day we played Barnet and not as everybody assumed last Saturday.
As Allen was Barnets manager and under contract at the time, we could be done for illegally approaching a manager of a club under contract and end up having to compensate Barnet which is probably why they did what they did - to avoid any such payment.
When you think about it, it all falls into place with Hird, Evatt and Talbot being shown the door on the Tuesday. That must have been Martin Allen's decision.
I can see this costing us a fortune.
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - bluepooch - 18-05-2018
Its blindingly obvious there was dialogue between the Allens way before last Saturday .MA has told quite a few fibs already and is a naughty person but if he gets us back into the league he could run rampage with a Kalsahnikov in Mansfield town centre for all I care.
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - Dancingwilldoit - 18-05-2018
Really?
Well I for one do care. Its bad enough having 2 corrupt egomaniac liars (allegedly of course) at the helm without adding a third. I would rather watch us play part time non league and be regarded as an honest club with honest owners rather than the old Cheaterfield.
We all make mistakes in life and it takes a good honest man to say "Sorry I cocked up". Instead what we have is tyrant and a bully at the top with his whipping boy who will just keep rollercoasting through all this no matter what the cost or outcome. The main man is a first class prick and if he honestly thinks as he has said we have never had it so good then god help us because it obviously cant be getting better anytime soon.
I don't know what it is about football fans who can turn a blind eye to where an owner makes his millions be it drugs money, murder, tax evasion or fraud, as long as he is spending it on their club they are happy. Well not me, football is just corrupt from top to bottom with all the money in the game and its about time fans started to open their eyes and see where its all going.
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - Devongone - 18-05-2018
I want to see an honest Chesterfield, not a Cheaterfield or a Chesterfield that is the first to leap in to try to profit from any old stray Ched Evans. I want to feel proud of our club. I want the place where I was born and lived a lot of my life to both be doing well and to be highly regarded. Wouldn't it be great to hear some fans saying, "Why can't we do a Chesterfield?" instead of "Thank Christ we're not Chesterfield!"
One of the troubles with football regs is that it is very difficult to draw the line between hospitality or civility and an illegal approach. Everyone knows that little chat in the corner of the bar is an illegal approach, but it's also the losing side congratulating the winners over the prawn sandwiches mmmmmmm. Take England in Russia. Lingard and Rashford are chatting to Ruben Loftus-Cheek, "Mate you need to get your agent to get you out of Chelsea they'll just loan you out again f'sure, but you'd fit right in with Jose and us up in Manchester. He was telling us last week how he wishes he could get you up here ........" Illegal approach or new mates chatting? It happens all the time and all the way down to the local amateur game - no team wants to go through the hassle of the seven-day system locally unless they know they've a pretty good chance of success.
An illegal approach is hard to prove. Sprog Carson says, "Yeah I seen Dave and Martin Allen 'aving a chinwag. They were 'aving a right laugh and I thought they're gettin' on well. I thought I wonder if he we could get him as our next manager that's all. Worth a flutter, didn't tell me dad, o' course."
If it cost us a fortune we'd be unlucky in a way. Football is dirty, corrupt and criminal. It operates double standards all the time - look at Allardyce: tears and protests all the way out the back door at Everton over his treatment. No mention of the millions he is collecting and the corruption he even had the nerve to display within a month of becoming England manager ....... Thing is though, because it is dirty, corrupt and criminal football occasionally has to catch the odd naughty boy to maintain the illusion that it's clean. And it could be Cheaterfield again.
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - bluepooch - 18-05-2018
I honestly do not really care too much what goes off behind the scenes as long as the football on the pitch is good and successful .Surely that's what it is all about ,that's why we go to watch them or follow them from afar ,in the hope that we are successful ,not to follow the political games being played behind the scenes .
Whether behind the scenes affects the on the pitch performances and ultimately the success of the club we will have to see but despite all his faults one thing you can say about Dave Allen is he does back the club financially to the envy of most of League Two last season and the Vanarama this season.The biggest problem above all is that the money has been wasted over the last 3 seasons and I still blame DA for that ,he should not have thrown the dummy out and walked away .
Now we have a new manager in and the vibes are fairly promising in terms of shaking things up ,If DA can be believed and he has picked this man then he lives and dies by his sword .
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - spireitematt - 18-05-2018
(18-05-2018, 19:41)bluepooch Wrote: I honestly do not really care too much what goes off behind the scenes as long as the football on the pitch is good and successful .Surely that's what it is all about ,that's why we go to watch them or follow them from afar ,in the hope that we are successful ,not to follow the political games being played behind the scenes .
Whether behind the scenes affects the on the pitch performances and ultimately the success of the club we will have to see but despite all his faults one thing you can say about Dave Allen is he does back the club financially to the envy of most of League Two last season and the Vanarama this season.The biggest problem above all is that the money has been wasted over the last 3 seasons and I still blame DA for that ,he should not have thrown the dummy out and walked away .
Now we have a new manager in and the vibes are fairly promising in terms of shaking things up ,If DA can be believed and he has picked this man then he lives and dies by his sword .
Problem is Blue, what goes off behind the scenes can affect what goes on the pitch.
RE: Chesterfield, the gift that keeps giving and giving - Devongone - 20-05-2018
DA has invested heavily ........ in a way ........ but the fruits of any success always evaporate and our indebtedness to him always remains.
What happens off the field is often reflected on it. Take Blackpool, take Luton, take us and our nine points. But if the corruption off the field is carried out at a high enough level then that can be a different matter. Your Russian owner might be wiping out half Taiga and laundering arms trade money through your club, but hey that Europoean Cup spot is in sight ........... OR borrow the money to buy a club and load the debt incurred back onto the very club you bought. The extent to which it once was profitable is suddenly measured by the extent of its debt. That was Man Utd and it was perfectly legal so everything was fine. Or was it?
Personally I don't think that football is like a theatre, in which the spectators pay to be entertained. They aren't neutrals waiting for the plot to unfold. They are involved, heart and soul, singing and cheering to try and influence what they see. They're not an audience which feels slightly cheated when the actors forget their lines and fall over the furniture ..... they are devastated, this is for real, this is the club they love and their team is letting everyone down! A defeat can hang heavy on them for weeks. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR "OWNER" FORGETS. We aren't punters in his casino who should be happy losing their money if the sandwiches are free and there's the odd happy hour. We're there and we care because this is our team. We love them and he can never own the right to that. And he can never forgive the fans for thinking he and the club are letting what they love, DIE........