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Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - Beefy 1965 - 24-04-2018
Welcome Prediction League Guys & Amelia
We are looking at changing the way the Gamball works next season....
One way of changing the Gamball to lessen the impact was a suggestion forwarded to the executive committee by St Charles Owl, Below is his idea and new way of scoring,
Also below this will be a couple of examples from this week(week 32) Scores and how the new scoring compares to the old way so you can all see how this one Idea would work
Also new Balls will be in force as their is a problem accessing some of the Smilies;
Bonus ball stays the same
Insurance ball , Bob your tongue out .... cant take any points of me !!
Gamball the I can't look image suits this ball more than any other ........St Charles new proposal
Incorrect Result = - 1 point
Incorrect Result (Insurance Ball) = 0
Incorrect Result (Bonus Ball) = - 2
Incorrect Result (Gamball) = -3 * changed from -4
Correct Result = + 2 points
Correct Result (Bonus Ball) = + 3 * changed from +4
Correct Result (Gamball) = +4 * Changed from +8
Correct Score = + 4 points
Correct Score (Bonus Ball) = + 6 * changed from +8
Correct Score (Gamball) = +8 * Changed from +16
As you can see the incorrect scoring has not really changed apart from a wrong Gamball you now gain a point if you get it wrong, was -4 now its -3.
The changes only kick in if you correctly guess a result or a correct score,
The Bonus has slightly changed with a correct result down one to 3 instead of 4 points
And a correct score Bonus down two to 6 instead of 8 points
The Gamball where the big Issue was has a huge change, a correct result will now be just 4 points down from 8
And a correct score on the Gamball will be now just 8 points instead of 16 !!
This is a 50% drop on the Gamball thus ensuring people who get lucky with just this one result/score does not affect the predictors who predict well to suffer.
This should also keep things so much tighter and keep the Interest going for most people right to the very end,
Also the third from bottom of the premiership will play off against the third in the table from the Championship to keep even more excitement going, they will have to predict through all the Playoffs and the winner obviously takes their place in the Premier League the following season
Example From this weeks Premiership (week 32 )
SCORES FROM DD
Our last week's winner Including a spot on Gamball scored 20 Points
Under the NEW system here's how it changed
1. Watford v Crystal Palace........................ 0-2 ................................... -1
2. ** Derby v Middlesbrough Angry............ 1-2
............................ 83. Leeds v Barnsley................................... 3-0 ................................... 2
4. Sheff Weds v Reading............................ 2-0 .................................... 2
5. Sunderland v Burton Albion..................... 2-1 ................................... -1
6. Hibs v Celtic 12:30 pm.......................... 0-3
.................. -27. Portsmouth v Charlton........................... 2-0 .................................... -1
8. Rotherham v Bristol Rovers..................... 1-2 ................................... -1
Sunday 22nd April
9. Arsenal v West Ham............................... 3-1 .................................... 2
10. Stoke v Burnley .................................. 1-1
.............................. 4Total = 12 Points, 8 points less under the new system,
Now DD had 2 correct scores and 5 correct results, so the next example I will use will be the Jokers scores,
Joker had 2 correct scores also and 4 correct results just one less than DD yet ended up with just Six points,
Here is how he would have fared under the new system ..........
SCORES FROM THE JOKER
Saturday 21st April
1. Watford 1-0 Crystal Palace ......................................................... -1
2. ** Derby 1-1 Middlesbrough
.................................................. -33. Leeds 2-1 Barnsley ..................................................................... 4
4. Sheff Weds 2-0 Reading ............................................................. 2
5. Sunderland 2-1 Burton Albion ..................................................... -1
6. Hibs 1-3 Celtic ........................................................................... -1
7. Portsmouth 2-1 Charlton ............................................................. -1
8. Rotherham 2-0 Bristol Rovers ....................................................... 4
Sunday 22nd April
9. Arsenal 2-0 West Ham
............................................... 310. Stoke 1-2 Burnley
................................................................ 0Total = 6 Points Exactly the same as he scored under the old System,
So what's changed ?
As you see there is NO difference in Jokers score overall, but what it has done as I mentioned earlier Joker had only one less correct result than DD yet found himself 14 Points off the leader,
Under the new System Joker HAS NOT been penalised to much as overall his scores were as good as most of the others, So from a 14 point deficit which seemed unfair for someone who had just the one less correct result the deficit is just 6 !!!
And remember DD got the Gamball spot on, This scoring system now rewards you guys for a good prediction Week whilst not allowing a lucky Gamball to allow a bad week to necessarily become a defining one and topping the League for the week
OK ,.... I am Beefy
Bomber, Zinman & St Charles would like ....1/ Your opinion on this ... (It seems good to us) So we won't listen to you anyway
2/ Anything else you may like to add ? .......... But we won't take that into account
3/ Have a go under the new system and work your scores out, (From Week 32) Bomber will check them if you want
and if we collect enough data see where you may have finished under the new system,the difference in points and the differential in points you have to other people EG top & bottom, we may all see then how the table over one week tightens itself up and then next season hopefully makes for a much better game Much love
Beefy, Bomber, Zinman and the Owl
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - Arcane Astral Aeons - 24-04-2018
how about
scrapping the silly gamball and ....
correct score=3
correct result 1
keep the insurance and bonus
but get rid of the gamball
may make it easier on the guys that come up with the tables every week
just a thought
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - Lord Snooty - 24-04-2018
Personally I think it's ok as it is. I like the idea of a possible +16. It gives you a sense that no matter how far behind you are, there's still a chance. Or on the other hand, no matter how big a lead you have (ahem), you can still blow it.
But if that's what others want.......whatevs!
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - Salopbaggie - 24-04-2018
Personally I like the look of the proposed system, in the past I have advocated getting rid of the gameball as QE is doing, but I don't think that proposal got very much support. Lord Snooty is also correct in his position of the big points, but I do think the proposed system seems fairer on everyone, I mean how can predicting one game correctly be as hard as predicting 8 normal games correctly.
My vote would be to try the proposed system, we can always change it back the following season if we don't like it.
A big thank you to everyone who has worked all season on running this little mirage of fun in what as otherwise been a pretty disastrous season, regardless of if we pull of the miracle. Also great to see we can can still get one question, have 3 responses and three differing opinions.
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - 4evaabaggie - 24-04-2018
I like the gamball but sixteen points does seem rather a lot for one game ......... having a bonus ball and a gamball also seems a little excessive ......... is there a need for negative points?
How about ....
Incorrect score ......... zero points
Correct result .......... two points
Correct score ......... four points
Bonus / gamball ........ doubles your points for that game
No need for an insurance ball ......
Teams don't lose points for getting it wrong in real leagues,, why do players need to lose points in the prediction league ..... you could have a steady run of scores every week then have two weeks bad negative scores and end up fighting at the bottom ........ fairer to all if you keep all the points you earned and that way the best most consistent scorer will end up on top ......
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - Dingle-Dingle - 24-04-2018
(24-04-2018, 12:38)4evaabaggie Wrote: I like the gamball but sixteen points does seem rather a lot for one game ......... having a bonus ball and a gamball also seems a little excessive ......... is there a need for negative points?
How about ....
Incorrect score ......... zero points
Correct result .......... two points
Correct score ......... four points
Bonus / gamball ........ doubles your points for that game
No need for an insurance ball ......
Teams don't lose points for getting it wrong in real leagues,, why do players need to lose points in the prediction league ..... you could have a steady run of scores every week then have two weeks bad negative scores and end up fighting at the bottom ........ fairer to all if you keep all the points you earned and that way the best most consistent scorer will end up on top ......
How about a Whale icon?. The Beefy handicap ball. Lose on that one and you swap places with Beefy..... DD
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - 4evaabaggie - 24-04-2018
Funny DD, although a bit harsh, especially as the beefster currently leads the promotion charge .....
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - derbybaggie - 24-04-2018
(24-04-2018, 11:42)Salopbaggie Wrote: Personally I like the look of the proposed system, in the past I have advocated getting rid of the gameball as QE is doing, but I don't think that proposal got very much support. Lord Snooty is also correct in his position of the big points, but I do think the proposed system seems fairer on everyone, I mean how can predicting one game correctly be as hard as predicting 8 normal games correctly.
My vote would be to try the proposed system, we can always change it back the following season if we don't like it.
A big thank you to everyone who has worked all season on running this little mirage of fun in what as otherwise been a pretty disastrous season, regardless of if we pull of the miracle. Also great to see we can can still get one question, have 3 responses and three differing opinions.
Agree with Salop let's see how it goes. I personally like the Gamball (and for that matter the Insurance Ball) but think it's just got too much weighting.
And I would second Salop's thanks to all those who run the prediction league. It kept me moderately interested in football in the last days of Pulis!
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - TheFunkyJoker - 24-04-2018
(24-04-2018, 12:38)4evaabaggie Wrote: I like the gamball but sixteen points does seem rather a lot for one game ......... having a bonus ball and a gamball also seems a little excessive ......... is there a need for negative points?
How about ....
Incorrect score ......... zero points
Correct result .......... two points
Correct score ......... four points
Bonus / gamball ........ doubles your points for that game
No need for an insurance ball ......
Teams don't lose points for getting it wrong in real leagues,, why do players need to lose points in the prediction league ..... you could have a steady run of scores every week then have two weeks bad negative scores and end up fighting at the bottom ........ fairer to all if you keep all the points you earned and that way the best most consistent scorer will end up on top ......
Mix this with the method in the original post and it could be good, but it would mean losing the insurance ball.
Incorrect score: 0
IS Bonus Ball: -1
Is Gamball: -3
And then correct scores as mentioned above?
RE: Next Seasons Prediction League Scoring Your Thoughts Please ! - Beefy 1965 - 24-04-2018
That's a interesting one
That covers a majority of what people want with the exception of one or two
So no insurance ball , no minus scores and just -1 and - 3 for a bonus and the gamball that's already been adjusted to -3 anyway ?