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Curtains After Tonight? - Arcane Astral Aeons - 12-02-2018
always the optimist me
would love to celebrate a win this evening(stranger things have happened)
Abramovich`s pets aint been great of late
a point is useless we need the three
can`t see it myself
but you never know
i`m actually going to be positive and predict a scrappy win
i`m positive but am still prepared for the championship next season
may do us good
get rid of the deadwood
and get in some new blood
regardless will be...always will be...a baggies fan
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - twertonparkbaggie - 12-02-2018
Even if we are relegated, surely the Championship cant be that difficult, what with the Dingles top and the Vile second!!!!
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - Blue Baggie - 12-02-2018
(12-02-2018, 14:54)twertonparkbaggie Wrote: Even if we are relegated, surely the Championship cant be that difficult, what with the Dingles top and the Vile second!!!!
But you have to scrap for the points, we have several gutless pansies in the squad at the moment
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - SomersetBaggie - 12-02-2018
There will need to be a massive change in playing staff if we go down. The players, although shown not to be good enough for the premier league, will think that they are too good for the championship. Not too sure many of them playing tonight will be playing for us next season.
Still hoping that we can pick up some valuable points before the end of March. But if we do go down it will be very difficult to bounce back straight away.
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - Sir Megson - 13-02-2018
(12-02-2018, 23:01)SomersetBaggie Wrote: There will need to be a massive change in playing staff if we go down. The players, although shown not to be good enough for the premier league, will think that they are too good for the championship. Not too sure many of them playing tonight will be playing for us next season.
Still hoping that we can pick up some valuable points before the end of March. But if we do go down it will be very difficult to bounce back straight away.
Well worth a read of the FFP rules in the Premier League/Championship. As a club over a three year period we could make losses of up to £80-90 million dating back over 3 seasons if we were to go down. As far as I know, I think we've always ran at a profit to ensure we have this advantage if we were to go down (looking likelier by the game!)
The parachute payments we'd receive after being in the PL for quite a while would also be substantial, so I think we could see Lai and co gambling on reinvesting on a huge scale on the squad. We'd have the advantage financially over many clubs from the get go and should be in a better position to challenge to get back up.
Let's be honest, Wolves have made the league look piss easy and they have 3-4 really good players and the rest are your average Championship type players. We just need to make sure the right players are brought in and the right ones sold for decent money.
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - Dingle-Dingle - 13-02-2018
And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain…
DD
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - St Charles Owl - 13-02-2018
(13-02-2018, 00:35)Sir Megson Wrote:(12-02-2018, 23:01)SomersetBaggie Wrote: There will need to be a massive change in playing staff if we go down. The players, although shown not to be good enough for the premier league, will think that they are too good for the championship. Not too sure many of them playing tonight will be playing for us next season.
Still hoping that we can pick up some valuable points before the end of March. But if we do go down it will be very difficult to bounce back straight away.
Well worth a read of the FFP rules in the Premier League/Championship. As a club over a three year period we could make losses of up to £80-90 million dating back over 3 seasons if we were to go down. As far as I know, I think we've always ran at a profit to ensure we have this advantage if we were to go down (looking likelier by the game!)
The parachute payments we'd receive after being in the PL for quite a while would also be substantial, so I think we could see Lai and co gambling on reinvesting on a huge scale on the squad. We'd have the advantage financially over many clubs from the get go and should be in a better position to challenge to get back up.
Let's be honest, Wolves have made the league look piss easy and they have 3-4 really good players and the rest are your average Championship type players. We just need to make sure the right players are brought in and the right ones sold for decent money.
Not sure your losses total is correct, in the Championship you can make a loss of 39m over a three year period. You are correct that the failure parachute money you will get will put you significantly ahead in terms of revenue over any other team that is currently in the championship. Our annual sales are in the region of 24m, and that includes the TV money, yours in your first year if you go down will be approx 60-70m more because of what the PL will give you. As you can tell from my tone, I think that is grossly unfair but it is what it is.
Wolves have made the league look easy because they have spent nearly 60m quid and are taking a gamble that by doing so they will get out at the first attempt and so the 3 year losses won’t apply. But also remember when they came down from the PL they went straight down again, as did Wigan and almost Villa last season. Sunderland and Hull look like they might do the same this season and Boro are still not in the playoffs, even with the absurd parachute payments, so the money you will earn be given is no guarantee of promotion!! The problem you will face is if you lose most of your best players, which is likely, then it is significantly more difficult to attract good players in the Championship, particularly from abroad, and you end up having to buy good english players who cost significantly more, or take a risk on slightly known foreign players. That of course is assuming you can actually sell the players you don’t want to pay 100k per week or that are not likely to want to play in the championship.
The Championship is a very tough league, the football is more like what we used to see in England, more tough tackles and a bit more blood and thunder!! The grounds are not as nice, thee atmosphere though is likely to be more intimidating and you will see potentially more away fans at the Hawthorns as you will sell less tickets to home fans, which makes the atmosphere different again. The championship is also littered with clubs who have been in the prem and almost all of them think they should be back there. No disrespect but there are clubs in the Championship that could legitimately consider themselves bigger than you, and that often means we teams will give you less respect than you might give Man City!! You should also plan to pay over 40 pound a ticket when going to away games, there is no cap on ticket prices in the Championship, I think we are charging Villa fans 43 pounds for our upcoming game!!! Clubs have to do this because ticket revenue is still the biggest income stream clubs have, for instance our ticket revenue is higher than 10 PL teams, we just don’t have the TV money to make ticket sales irrelevant like it is in the PL. For reference our TV money totals about 2m per season, compared to the 100m in the PL.
So yes, you can spend your way out of the Championship and you can outspend other Championship teams to start with but if like others find it doesn’t go well then you will potentially blow that 39m losses in a couple of years and then you will become no different to Forest, SWFC, L**ds, SUFC, Derby, Cardiff, Fulham, Preston, Norwich, QPR, Bolton etc etc, clubs who dropped out and haven’t been able to get back for years!!! We have been out of the PL for 18 years, Forest for 19 years, L**ds for 14 years, Ipswich 14 years, Derby 10 years etc.
I’m not saying you guys should fear the Championship, but its not going to be a cake walk for you like I saw being suggested on another thread. I will say its a lot more competitive than the PL, and while the football might not be as good a quality it is often more exciting and the simple fact that you will win more games will bring the love for the game back for a lot of fans. But getting back to the PL will become your obsession, both as fans and as a club!!
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - GlassEyedBomber - 13-02-2018
I honestly think the most content I've been as a fan was when we were in the championship...bring back Dozza and Mulumbu!
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - Stairs - 13-02-2018
I had not expected anything from a Chelsea (away) fixture and some of the comments about us not looking like a team in trouble we’re nice.
But Sturridge doing what Sturridge does sums up West Brom and being a fan of West Brom for me.
Sturridge into another relegation threatened team would be banging the goals in and being a hero. Not at West Brom.
Other clubs get wacky results against teams they should not beat and leap out of the relegation zones. Not with West Brom.
Other clubs get that new manager bounce. Not West Brom.
I really hope I am wrong. But for me this is the end. Unless we go on a 3-4 match winning spree immediately the players will be switching off, telling their agents to find them a new home or will be breaking the news to their family that their 100k a week salary will only be 50k a week next season.
I do think a motivational thing should be a law that players must pay a penalty for relegation. Without this they just hop onto the next gravy train with no real impact. Just leaving a club and it’s fans in the sh1t.
RE: Curtains After Tonight? - BaggieMan - 13-02-2018
Very disheartening but realistically, unless there is a miracle on the scale of the feeding of the five thousand and with a seven point gap, we will be watching Championship football next season.
For a small club in a small Midlands town we’ve had a good run of eight consecutive seasons in the top flight and enjoyed some remarkable times but now we must accept our fate and be prepared for the dreaded drop.
We all know where the blame for our demise lies but we must not dwell on that but look forward and prepare for probable life in the lower league and be very careful that we do not do a Dingles or as appears likely, a Sunderland and end up fighting against a double drop.
It’s inevitable the team will be broken up and rebuilding begun to hopefully maintain a challenge, first for Championship survival, followed by promotion back to the Premier League. I recall exciting times in the Championship with good entertaining football so things might not be so black as they appear now. The worst aspect is that it looks likely that the only two West Midlands clubs in the Premiership will be replaced by The Dingles and The Seals, one of whom will be able to claim to be ‘Pride of the Midlands’ - perish the thought!