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This League is Sh*t - bluepooch - 10-02-2018
So Barnet beat Notts County which means they have beaten 2 out of top 4 and may start to show improvement under their new manager .This league is so bad anyone who has a half decent run can surge up the table.
Crawley are possibly the best team I have seen this season and they are having a run which could yet take them into the play offs.
I wouldn't discount any of the bottom 8 from getting relegated although no one is picking enough points up to go clear so it could go right down to the wire.Port Vale ,after a initial new manager surge are dropping back and I am expecting a manager change at Grimsby any time soon.
The table doesn't lie at this stage and we are the second worse team and I just hope we can get enough points to scrape into 3rd bottom .
RE: This League is Sh*t - Dancingwilldoit - 10-02-2018
Its our level Blue because we are shite, not the league. There are some good teams including Crawley and some Neanderthal teams like Stevenage. The league is tight at the top and bottom and we will be lucky to stay up. I don't think that makes it shite though. We cant climb up the league because we cant string good results together beyond 2 games. Many other teams are fortunately in the same boat.
RE: This League is Sh*t - Devongone - 11-02-2018
Funny Blue, I must have missed the post in which you said how bad the league was when we beat Luton.
It must be a coincidence that Luton came off the disappointment of a Cup defeat at Newcastle into which their players had poured their hopes and Notts County had just been thrashed on TV in what must be the poorest cup showing by a league 2 club in the last fifteen years ............ ??????
Nobody assumes the Premiership is crap if Swansea beat Liverpool or a West Brom, Watford or Palace trip up Chelsea or Man City.
We ARE in a comparatively poor league, but only if you look at it from above. Look at it from the point of view of a Lichfield City in the Midland League and you probably see 24 decent teams with not all that much to choose between them.
Early in the season when we lost to Notts County I thought we were losing to a potential bottom six team, because they had so many old players on their way down. Equally I thought Forest Green, with their financial clout, would very quickly appreciate they needed to cover a couple of weaknesses and together with the players they already had, would head for the top six. If the league table didn't exist and I could forget everything that has happened between August and February I doubt I'd be able to see all that much between them now.
We ARE a bad team, but in our context that only means we have players individually verging on and slightly above and below the moderate, who between them don't possess all the attributes needed to make a threatening team. They can play a bit, but pace and power are absent as is a player of any great ability at our level - like 35-goal a season man, a real passer of a ball, a reader of the game, a very clever dribbler, a dynamite shot - a player the opposition fears. So we haven't anything to disguise our weaknesses, we can't quite get our game together, decide on our best system so we are mostly just off the pace, perfectly designed to lose 2-1 / 1-0 most weeks. And then injuries hit, and refs intervene with dodgy decisions .............. But that does only mean that if Luton are off and we are on - we can win - so obviously if we hit our form we can win against anybody in the division, despite our inherent weaknesses.
Must say I think Dancing is harsh on Stevenage. They visited us on a dreadful run, saw in us a chance to stop us playing and very possibly capitalise when we made an error. It worked, but that was down to our inability wasn't it? They are very much a home-made side created by youth development and non-league recruitment. AND they were good enough to absolutely thrash us at their place weren't they? We didn't get neanderthaled so much as outclassed that day ........
22nd has been my aim all season, since I saw GC recruiting. Glad you are coming round Pooch. I still don't think we can make it. I'm currently underwhelmed by Jack's recruitment, but perhaps Dodds and Hines might fire us going forward and perhaps we've plugged few holes in that sieve of a defence, and there's a chance Cambridge might be mourning Shaun Derry? And maybe Sean Dyche will loan us Burnley's Sports Psychologist?
RE: This League is Sh*t - bluepooch - 11-02-2018
Why do you keep saying Im coming round ? ive always been a realist and If there is a reason to be positive I will give it .I just think we shouldnt get too high when we win and too low when we lose .I told you we would beat Luton when you were all doom and gloom and I gave you the reasins why .
Same with the last two defeats ,they were both narrow and a draw would have been a fair result both times , I know Dancing disagrees with that but its fine lines .
RE: This League is Sh*t - Dancingwilldoit - 11-02-2018
Dev, trust me Stevenage are Neanderthal. The are the worst of the worst and with a weak ref they just got away with murder.
Every contested header they had elbows up, 2 footed studs up challenges and expert time wasters going down when nobody was near them with the ref letting them get away with it.
Yes Blue it is fine lines but atm we are the wrong side of the line week in week out with the odd venture onto the other side. We just didn't compete against Stevenage and that's a fact and Crawley were better than us that's another fact. Even JL said the same thing - we were not good enough.
Tuesdays match is now massive and if we don't get some wins soon we will be bottom. I have seen this coming all season, we aren't too good to go down we are poor with players that seem to think all they have to do is turn up. Things just don't bode well.
RE: This League is Sh*t - bluepooch - 11-02-2018
Crawley were good and Jack said both home games should have been draws and I agree with him .Don't tell Jack its a massive game he was very spikey with Joe Rawson for saying something similar ,he accused him of being negative and wouldn't be welcome in the dressing room ,even though he said it in a jokey way he meant it .
Jacks belief is we shouldn't think about the future or the past but in the 'now 'which seems to be a trendy thing ,I think its called mindfulness.He's into all this psychology is Jack.
RE: This League is Sh*t - Dancingwilldoit - 12-02-2018
Even so the "now" is second from bottom and by Saturday night we could well be bottom. If Jack is getting tetchy then he should be.
RE: This League is Sh*t - Devongone - 12-02-2018
Blue you ARE coming round because you told us you backed Middlesbrough, Wigan and CHESTERFIELD. That's to win leagues. Then much later when Jack won us two games you wrote about aiming for the play-off zone. I was wrong about Notts County and Forest Green by the look. Nothing wrong with being wrong, it's part of human evolution. (As is optimism!) But at least you'll be welcome in the dressing room with Jack. Nobody could accuse you of living in the past.
As for Stevenage, what Dancing calls neanderthal I'd call planning. They'd thrashed us once - they knew they had physical advantages and they knew we were vulnerable both to conceding and being unable to score even when on top. Should they have said, "let's pass the ball around like them and make no progress"? Seems to me they have a smart young manager who is prepared to adapt in order to win. He knew how we'd play and used it. Might not have been nice to watch, but those three points made sure they'd have to have the worst run ever to go back to non-league football.
The trouble with now is it barely exists. If I type NOW now it is already then (or a new now) by the time I've done it. By the time you read it, it is already ancient history.
Certainly I can see how complete attention on the present moment relates to sport. Why do defenders under pressure in the last five minutes of a game so often concede, and do so by making an horrific and uncharacteristic mistake? Managers cry lack of concentration, but Jack and I would say that aren't focused on the moment, which is different. They are looking at five or ten minutes more of pressure, and crack ..... or thinking of the last time they were in this position and cracked. It is playing every ball when you are batting at cricket, not the one which just beat you, or the one you now fear. It is catching a cross without thinking of the one you just dropped, or the potentially disastrous consequences dropping this ball ........ n o w Just catch, ball down to chest, feel it safe, pat it, look to see who is free.
But it helps if the images you inevitably rehearse in your head, because no one manages to be in the now all the time, are those in which you succeeded ........ so that you never focus on those last five minutes in which you conceded two and the worst was that needless penalty ............
My thought, having inevitably studied a bit of this stuff - Jack would love Totnes, it is the mindfulness centre of the universe - is that NOW has to encompass the Cambridge game and nothing else, it is not because that game is particularly vital though it is, it is because maintaining total focus upon that now is everything. The game isn't tomorrow night, it has already started. So I reckon he's right to keep even unintentionally negative influences out of the dressing room.
However, mindfulness should be the ultimate antidote to tetch. (I can't manage mindful to the end of a paragraph!)
RE: This League is Sh*t - bluepooch - 12-02-2018
Dev, you do like to twist my words ,If I remember rightly ,I merely made the point at the time that if we reproduced points of the last 8 games for the rest of the season we would reach the play offs.Unfortunately it seemed to be the kiss of death because we have since lost 7 out of 10 !.Football eh ?.But I must admit I was optimistic at the start of the season due to the apparent massive influx of good players and a silky performance against Donny reserves.
Anyway no point in worrying about the future or fretting about the past I've got some mindfulness practising to do .
RE: This League is Sh*t - Devongone - 13-02-2018
Sunderland fans certainly don't practise mindfulness. Most of them left 3-0 down at half-time on Saturday. They clearly weren't in the moment. They'd moved into the future and already lost 5-0. 3-3 must have come as a shock as they headed up the motorway.
To be fair Pooch it wasn't just you wondering how high we could climb when Jack started winning. There was an epidemic on Bob's Board.
Though I can see how mindfulness can be related to sporting achievement, as the concept couldn't be more prevalent than it is down here in Totnes, it has certainly not made any sporting impact. The football team here is terrible, the rugby team moderate but overweight, we're enthusiastic rowers, reasonable swimmers, ordinary athletes ........... We're much better at aromatherapy, celtic mythology and counselling than sport.
I am hoping for a win or snow tonight.