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Today - bluepooch - 09-12-2017
Not one of our best performances under Jack ,which wasn't helped by Barnets spoiling tactics ,but the desire and belief were there in spades and we deserved the win .I cant remember the last time we scored an injury time winner .I seem to be saying this regular ,I cant remember the last time we did this and that .It just shows what a difference Jack has made .He has instilled that never say die attitude and I know now if we go behind the game isn't over ,which isn't something Ive felt over the last 3 seasons.
The players who stood out for me were Evo ,who seems to have developed brilliant control and creativity to his game at the age of 35 and Louis Reed ,who Ive been critical of but I felt today had his best game yet .
The win was vital today as we have 2 difficult away games coming up and it takes the unbeaten run to 6 games in the League.
Onwards and upwards under Jack
RE: Today - Dancingwilldoit - 09-12-2017
The next 2 games are critical, we need at least a point from each and we can start to pull away from the bottom. If we go into Christmas above 16th I will be well pleased.
I honestly didn't think JL was the right appointment at the time but admit I was wrong, he has taken a team of no hopers and made them play with an energy and commitment I didn't think was possible. I saw us needing somebody to grind out results and clear the decks for next season, JL has done it with a change in attitude that I didn't think possible.
Out of the bottom 2 and finally looking up the table rather than a league below.
Anybody that heard Steve Eyre on radio earlier in the week now knows what disastrous appointments Caldwell and Branston were and it makes you wonder how the maniacs that made that decision could make amends with the appointment of JL.
As Blue says, Onwards and Upwards.
RE: Today - bluepooch - 10-12-2017
Nice to see you eating a bit of humble pie Dancing.
I think Jack could be more successful than Cookie ,I just hope he carries us on his journey .
RE: Today - Dancingwilldoit - 10-12-2017
Blue, I never thought JL would be a bad manager I just worried he wasn't the man for the time. It would have been disappointing if he had failed and with the clowns running our club it was a big risk on his part to say the least.
RE: Today - Devongone - 10-12-2017
What Jack has over Cookie or anyone I can remember as our manager, is that he sounds the part. It could make or even break him as a manager. If I was in his team I could see me listening to him and thinking I'll go through a brick wall for this guy ....... and that seems to be happening. I expected Barnet to be a tough proposition. The better teams we've been playing have obviously been expecting, and have been expected, to beat us. Even a draw against us was disappointing! Barnet were going to come and scrap for anything they could get - they've got two dangerous players up front as well in Coulthirst and Akinde. They can beat teams. Nothing about us was going to take them by surprise, they weren't coming expecting to outplay us. They're in a win by hook or by crook position, like us.
As a manager Jack has instilled the desire and the belief in very ordinary players to win ...... and he's organised them well enough to make that possible. Unlike Dancing I never really doubted the wisdom of appointing Jack, but I'd also have bet everything I own against Dancing (short of a complete mental disintegration on his part) even thinking of saying he'd like to see us in 16th place by Christmas! The highest I ever pitched my hopes was for Jack to keep us vaguely in touch with the rest of the pack until the transfer window! AND the only reason I thought Dancing was wrong to want a manager known for his ability to save teams in our position, was that I thought our playing staff was simply impossible to transform into a winning unit.
I'm only amazed somebody like Mark Clemmit on BBC has not yet picked up on just how personable and articulate Jack is on air. I'd have thought someone would have pencilled him in as the next Lincoln City story of young English managers who are impressing - he's BAME too. If management were only the pre-and-post match interviews you could put Jack in charge of any Premier League team and we'd all raving about him. The only danger is that his easy fluency might break him - it might make him lazy and not achieve what he could, or he could get an offer to remain involved in football but in a more lucrative and less stressful environment than management at the bottom of Division 2.
Cookie or Sheridan do have real ability as managers of football teams, but to climb absolutely to the top of the tree in any sphere they are handicapped by their self-presentation. Jack - well he hardly needs a press officer or a media relations department behind him to succeed in any sphere. I worry we might just have found someone who is far too good for us ........
A few weeks ago I'd have said Wycombe's attack would overwhelm our defence, now, with the new lease of life Jack seems to have given Ian Evatt, I'd keep quiet on any prediction.
(And whilst the humble pie's on the table somebody could try rearranging the words, WRONG, I, CALDWELL, ABOUT, WAS into a sentence and perhaps garnish it with the often-repeated mantra, "in Gary we trust" before swallowing.)
RE: Today - bluepooch - 10-12-2017
Dev if that somebody is me I will ask again where I said Caldwell was the bees knees or words to that affect .I maintained my position all along ,that we should give him some time with his own team and see how he fared and to be fair the club gave him that time and made the right decision when it was obvious it wasn't working out .It still gave us time to turn the season around provided ,and I have always maintained this too , we replaced him with someone better and boy is Jack that man .Even Steve Eyre felt that GC should have been given a bit more time but in hindsight the club obviously did the right thing .
So we now as a club need to sit down with Jack and lavish him with Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh and tell him he is the King .Maybe then he will follow only one star and that is the ever brighter shining CFC star.
RE: Today - Dancingwilldoit - 10-12-2017
Blue, Steve Eyre said he thought it was pointless getting rid of GC and appointing GB for 2 games. What he said was we might have well left GC there for the 2 games Branston took charge as it was obvious somebody else was coming in. He didn't say GC should have been given more time.
RE: Today - Devongone - 11-12-2017
GC for us had one of the worst records in managerial history and the absolute worst in our history. I felt he took the job at a dreadful point at which the only man with any chance of saving us had been the incumbent ........... but his performance suggested we could have logged on to Soccer Manager and given the job to any player who'd won a league on there. Doing the job worse than GC is almost inconceivable. Two of his three victories were achieved by pressing Random Select. Alan Partridge would have been a better choice and yet you still can't acquire a taste for some humble pie Pooch ....... you'd still have given him more time and left us seven or eight points behind Barnet ((( these brackets are me shaking my head in disbelief ))).
As for putting Jack in a manger, or on a donkey, let the man alone, to be himself and become whatever he can. So far he's doing brilliantly. He has all the skills needed to APPEAR the real deal, but Dean Saunders had quite a few of those too. But Saunders only seemed to be able to scatter his magic for limited periods of time. Doncaster and Wrexham both went top and both crashed and even we looked the part for a few games .......... To be the real deal Jack has to be capable of regularly reinventing the excitement and belief he is creating in his team and the fans, AND has to maintain that even when he brings in new players and starts dropping some of those who have improved under him. Pretending he's a god won't help when we hit a bad patch, believe he's a man capable of finding the right way forward by all means, but question him, always do that because that's the reason he's hit the ground running. Did he look like a player who swallowed every bit of BS a manager pushed at him, or did he look like a man viewing what was happening with a discerning eye? I'm sure Jack Lester was always a man to ask questions and he'll be asking himself questions right now.
All worship does for you is to make you stupid and lazy. I reckon asking questions of Jack Lester is much the better deal.
Just to be fair though I'll include what Tommy Lee said about Caldwell “what Gary Caldwell doesn’t know about football wasn’t worth knowing”. Though when you think about it Tommy played very few games under GC, is perhaps too nice for his own good, and was a goalkeeper in any case so most of the ollocks about tactical systems would have little bearing on his game. But the players certainly were verbally in favour of GC though that was never evidenced on the field of play.
RE: Today - bluepooch - 11-12-2017
If I felt I needed to eat Humble pie I would Dev but I will repeat again show me where I worshipped GC .I gave him every chance if thats what you mean and i was more tolerant than most ,thats what I must be guilty of .But the time was right to get rid and I said that at the time .
In fact those who said his signings were poor should think about eating a bit of humble pie seeing as most of those signings are now looking decent.
RE: Today - Devongone - 12-12-2017
Oh dear somebody comes along and makes a silk purse out of sow's ear and you want to tell us it was a silk purse all along. So why worship Jack then; everything was fine, it just needed patience ...........?
Truth? It's nonsense to worship Jack Lester as a genius/god for transforming our team and to hold onto the belief that they weren't that bad in the first place.
GC was signing professional players. They obviously weren't Hope Valley B Divisioners. It wasn't ever that they couldn't play individually at all. Even on random select you'd get hits as well as misses. It was that they couldn't combine successfully, because they collectively lacked some of the attributes usually needed for a successful team and some of the usual functions of a team had been neglected entirely during recruitment. Look for instance at a functioning Paul Cook team and compare it to what GC cobbled together. It wasn't that GC's bunch were a poorer version in a lower division; it was that there were whole aspects of both attack and defence visible in how Cook played which were entirely absent with Caldwell.
Pooch mate, much as I admire lots of things about you, the least you can do about humble pie is not to present it to Dancing, even if it is a Nigella of a pie you've been baking yourself since Danny's sacking. He was right from the very first moment Caldwell was mentioned in our managerial stakes, that his sole experience was inapplicable to Chesterfield, and would be a disaster. Had Jack Lester been appointed in summer to build his team I think Dancing would have been happy to try an untested manager, but in our desperate straits he wanted an experienced hand to try and save us! Coming out to praise Jack's revolution and say he under-estimated him is the honest act of a proper supporter in my eyes.
Bet Gary's had to engage a PA to deal with all the teams who want to win three games or fewer by the end of the season offering him managerial positions ........