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CHANGE THE RULES? - Devongone - 18-06-2017
A proposal to scrap 45-minute halves is to be looked at by football's lawmakers to deter time-wasting.
Instead, there could be two periods of 30 minutes with the clock stopped whenever the ball goes out of play.
Lawmaking body the International Football Association Board (Ifab) says matches only see about 60 minutes of "effective playing time" out of 90.
The idea is one of several put forward in a new strategy document designed to address football's "negativities".
Another proposal would see players not being allowed to follow up and score if a penalty is saved - if the spot-kick "is not successful", play would stop and a goal-kick awarded.
Other ideas include a stadium clock linked to a referee's watch and a new rule allowing players to effectively pass to themselves or dribble the ball when taking a free-kick.
Where have these proposals come from?
The ideas have been put forward to Ifab by stakeholders in the game to tackle "on-field issues" and form part of what it calls its "Play Fair strategy", which has three aims of:
improving player behaviour and increasing respect
increasing playing time
increasing fairness and attractiveness
Part of the problem the new document highlights is that a 90-minute match has fewer than 60 minutes of playing time because of stoppages and time-wasting.
Which plans need no law changes?
The document has put forward a number of radical ideas for discussion, but suggests some proposals can be implemented immediately without the need for law changes.
Most of these apply to trying to combat time-wasting. The document says match officials should be stricter on the rule which allows keepers to hold the ball for six seconds and be more stringent when calculating additional time.
Additionally, it suggests match officials stop their watch:
from a penalty being awarded to the spot-kick being taken
from a goal being scored until the match resumes from the kick-off
from asking an injured player if he requires treatment to play restarting
from the referee showing a yellow or red card to play resuming
from the signal of a substitution to play restarting
from a referee starting to pace a free-kick to when it is taken
Which plans are ready for testing?
Some of the proposals are already being tested. The idea of only allowing captains to speak to referees - to prevent match officials being mobbed - will be trialled at this summer's Confederations Cup, which starts on Saturday.
Another proposal involves changing the order of kick-taking in penalty shoot-outs, known as 'ABBA'. It is similar to a tie-break in tennis, with team A taking the first kick, then team B taking two, then team A taking two. That is a change from the traditional 'team A, team B, team A, team B' pattern.
New suggestions also include players who are being substituted leaving at the closest part of the touchline to them instead of at the halfway line.
Which ideas are up for discussion?
This is where it gets interesting. One of the proposals would allow being able to dribble straight from a free-kick to "encourage attacking play as the player who is fouled can stop the ball and then immediately continue their dribble/attacking move". Other measures include:
passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick
a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch
allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving
a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on
a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball
a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card
a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty
the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line
referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play
a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area
Who has come up with these proposals?
Ifab is made up of Fifa and the four British home football associations - of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - and is responsible for making the final decision on law changes.
Former English referee David Elleray is Ifab's technical director and has overseen the document.
"Referees, players, coaches and fans all agree that improving player behaviour and respect for all participants and especially match officials, increasing playing time and the game's fairness and attractiveness must be football's main priority," he said.
The next stage would involve the ideas being discussed at various meetings before decisions are taken on whether to develop them further or discard them.
So what do you think? Shouldn't we all be discussing this? My major views are that all of this seems to be based on the assumption that football is ONLY a professional game. Most of it would be impossible and unimplementable at an amateur level, so we'd have two sorts of game ....... is that a good thing?
My other problem with it is its source. I can't get over the fact that David Elleray was a public school teacher who robbed my club of a miraculous appearance in the Cup Final.
And finally we'll just be making it a refereed game. He'll be the dominant figure. Players will still find ways to waste time. 30 minutes each way won't be all play and it'll be almost no goals.
RE: CHANGE THE RULES? - Dancingwilldoit - 18-06-2017
Agree 100% Dev. What a waste of time this is (pun intended). The referees can cut out time wasting at a stroke. They are supposed to apply the rules. A few bookings will soon cut it out. As soon as they do that we might actually get value for money. Surely this is the wrong way to deal with the issue?
RE: CHANGE THE RULES? - spireitematt - 18-06-2017
Majority of these changes are bullshit. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I'm surprised they haven't thought about bringing back Sheffield Rules.
I do believe if there is a serious injury then the clock should be stopped but other than that everything else should continue. I agree Dancing a few yellow cards will cut out the time wasting and diving.
I've watched a few games in the Confederations Cup and the Video referee is causing a lot of controversy already.
RE: CHANGE THE RULES? - Devongone - 19-06-2017
Thought I'd go through some of the proposals:-
Passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick – I’ve no real objections to this for free kicks and corners. It could speed up play and lead to some interesting and exciting developments in attacking areas. Imposing it for goal kicks would allow keepers to time waste endlessly, interspersed with occasionally hilarious goals when it all went wrong.
A stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch – Pointless bollocks which will focus fans’ attention on the ref, his watch and the clock, not the game.
Allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving OR
a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on – I’d be in favour of scrapping goal kicks entirely, they’re slow and add nothing to the game. I’d put the ball in the keeper’s hands if the shot went wide BUT he’d only be allowed to throw it out. When the ball hadn’t been out he could kick it from his hands or the floor if he wanted.
A "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball – impossible! refs could already interpret it uniformly if they wanted and were capable of doing so.
A player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card – we don’t need more red cards, they ruin the game, get your untalented hands off a beautiful game ref!
A keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty – just a nonsense five-side style rule that won’t excite anyone.
The referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line – If referees want to score a goal they should play the game not ref’ it. Obviously we think penalties are exciting or else why would there be penalty shoot-outs? Awarding a penalty goal would be just an anti-climax.
Referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play – so with the giant stadium clock synchronized with the ref’s watch for every player to see the moment full or half time ticks round the leading side scrambles to hoof the ball into the stands. Hmmmmm that should up the skill-level nicely!
A penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area – One of the major skills of a keeper is to know where he is deflecting or blocking a ball when he can’t catch it. This will reduce the keeper at a penalty to a hard-handed blocker.
Conclusion:
These people know nothing about goalkeeping, little about football skills and have little insight into the fans’ point of view. And they clearly haven’t even considered those people who play the game for fun all over the country every weekend.
In general I’m in favour of experimenting with rule-changes just as they are trying with the VAR at the meaningless Confederations Cup. They’re finding problems, well that’s a positive. I think if you asked most people involved with football what do you want to see, more evident refereeing or less, we’d almost all plump for less. And why? Because the best games we can remember we never noticed the ref’ …… and under these proposals we’d never stop hearing from him or her.
Personally the rule change I’d like to experiment with is no more than three defenders being allowed in “a wall”. I think you’d very quickly see a line of attackers adding a crumbling wall on the end of it and much less time wasted lining up the three player wall. AND MORE GOALS AND MORE THRILLING SAVES!
RE: CHANGE THE RULES? - spireitematt - 19-06-2017
Isn't it funny those who at the top are businessman who know nothing about football and most don't even support teams or like the sport there only in it for the £££££. We need people who know football like former managers and former players to help bring in fresh ideas to help the sport.
RE: CHANGE THE RULES? - Devongone - 19-06-2017
I bet David Elleray wasn't even much cop as a geography teacher.
Why would you need to know where anywhere is or what an oxbow lake looks like if you've enough money to buy anywhere you like including a funny bend in a river?