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Credit where its due - Blue - Dancingwilldoit - 17-12-2016
What a game what a performance. That's the noisiest the Proact has been in many a year.
We just wanted it. First 10 mins I thought - here we go again, but we settled and the players were terrific. What a difference Sam Hird made. He was knackered by the end. Allinson was brilliant the 1 on 1 save was just superb and must have done him the world of good. Cant remember the last time we kept a clean sheet.
Still buzzing - onwards and upwards.
In Danny I trust.
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - bluepooch - 17-12-2016
I just came on to put that exact title Dancing .Danny got it spot on today and we matched them in all areas
It just shows what can happen when all the players are at the top of their game ,O Shea a good example of this ,was up for it from the first minute and had a really good game but it wasnt just him, all 11 were excellent in a heroic performance creating a great atmoshphere .They needed to bounce back after some poor results and they certainly did that ,the best performance of the season for me not because we pulverised them we just managed the game brilliantly.I just wish we could get near to that every week .
My MOTM was just Dimaio who in my opinion had his best game in a town shirt closely followed bu Sam Hird who excelled playing in front of the back four and looked like he had never been away .
A word for Allinson who Ive been asking for recently ,he was excellent apart from a few dodgy kicks but he must play in the next game ,clean sheets breed confidence throughout the team .
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - Devongone - 18-12-2016
One of the few live town games I've seen in recent years featured Sam Hird in midfield and he was VERY POOR, but that was because he was trying to run and turn like a midfielder (and I don't think he can run worth a damn). I've often said I used to play in a team anchored by a defensive midfielder, who was basically a centre back in front of the back four. He couldn't run, but he could read the game, tackle, head and pass. It worked brilliantly for us. Marcel Desailly didn't run much for AC Milan and they won everything, so it works even at the top of the pro' game too. Hird and Evatt are both decent footballers technically who in terms of skill don't have to be defenders and could both do that job. So I'm delighted Sam made it work for us. The problem is adapting it when the opposition isn't good enough to press you. You tend to push forward, lose shape and get caught out. AND it also seemed to me that at least one very fast wide man was a necessity together with a centre forward who made himself a handful in every way and could take the chances when they came. Evans and Ariyibi seem to fit that bill, can we keep them?
I'm delighted for you and Allinson himself that you got your wish. I can't see the point developing a keeper for Liverpool unless he's clearly better than our own. An understudy keeper from Liverpool is not the same sort of desirable creature as a boy who can't get near the first team because of Lallana and Coutinho is he?
My worries would be first that all our decent performances seem to coincide with O'Shea being on his game. On a going day he is at least a Championship player, but all too often we play with ten men. AND I'm fairly convinced he can't do anything about it. And how you deal with that is a problem. Second it troubles me that despite a decent bench Danny didn't have the confidence to make a substitution. Maybe he couldn't improve upon perfection ....... but maybe he was frozen in the headlights of a good performance. Still I'll take the points I predicted - blimey - and hope for 30 more.
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - Dancingwilldoit - 19-12-2016
Dev, as they say "If it aint broke don't fix it". We played as a team of 11 and everybody did their bit. A substitution just for the sake of it could well have unsettled things.
It was just one of those days. Bolton weren't bad we just had them in our pockets for most of the game.
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - Devongone - 19-12-2016
There's a lot of difference between a machine running perfectly and one that is "broke". You run a successful business, do you wait until a machine breaks down completely before giving it an overhaul to get it back running efficiently?
Danny's decision not to substitute got the desired result this time, but here is the total of other managers in the EFL who didn't use a substitute in Saturday's games:-
ZERO, that's nil, none, nada, blob
Winning, losing or drawing every other manager thought using a sub' was a good idea.
"If it ain't broke don't fix it" is the perfect excuse for all those who want to spend their lives fishin' in a shady wadey pool. Yeah, I bet that's exactly what James Dyson was thinking when he looked at a heavy old inefficient Hoover, or are you old enough to remember the Goblin .........?
Dancing my friend you're far too clever to use such a dumb argument, and I'm not quite dumb enough to be convinced by it.
"I can't improve on this" is a sustainable argument, but if Danny's thinking, "I daren't make a change," then you worry what decision he'll make when it's 0-0 after seventy minutes at Rochdale. It's easy to be clear and decisive at 3-0 up or down; it's when things are tight we need clear, decisive thinking. In Danny's position I know my head would be full of worries, ideas, possibilities, dangers - and we need his decision-making to be at a peak.
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - Dancingwilldoit - 20-12-2016
Dev, Yes I remember the Goblin, it made tea and caused more burns in the bedroom than S&M worshipers could dream of. I even remember the Ewbank which is what those who couldn't afford those electric fangled things had to put up with. The thing is if he had made a substitution and it backfired, we wouldn't be having this debate, Danny would be being shot from pillar to post for upsetting the applecart. He didn't, we won so IMO he did the right thing.
If something works I don't meddle with it other than to tweak things along the way. Dyson is not a good example. Hand driers that have queues of people with water all over the bloody floor like a skating rink. What was wrong with towels? Come to think of it, what was wrong with a stiff brush or beater to clean a carpet, how green is that?
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - spireitematt - 20-12-2016
(20-12-2016, 13:20)Dancingwilldoit Wrote: Dev, Yes I remember the Goblin, it made tea and caused more burns in the bedroom than S&M worshipers could dream of. I even remember the Ewbank which is what those who couldn't afford those electric fangled things had to put up with. The thing is if he had made a substitution and it backfired, we wouldn't be having this debate, Danny would be being shot from pillar to post for upsetting the applecart. He didn't, we won so IMO he did the right thing.
If something works I don't meddle with it other than to tweak things along the way. Dyson is not a good example. Hand driers that have queues of people with water all over the bloody floor like a skating rink. What was wrong with towels? Come to think of it, what was wrong with a stiff brush or beater to clean a carpet, how green is that?
Towels more hygienic than hand driers.
I reckon substitutions are pretty difficult because if you take off the wrong player and put the wrong player on it could end in disaster. Also if you bring on a player that player needs to be a game changer and try and offer something different to the game.
Beating Bolton on Saturday was a great result and it upset a lot of accumulators, will be interesting how we do at Rochdale on Boxing Day, will the players be full from eating too much pudding or will they make Rochdale look like turkeys?
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - Devongone - 21-12-2016
If the game had ended 1-1 you would have all queued up to say we should've closed the game out, an Italian team would've known how to hang on, every other team uses its subs, why list seven subs if none of them are good enough ......... and I'm sure I'd have been in the queue too.
"Ain't broke don't fix it," got us no keeper for all of this season so far. A tee-shirt slogan that sounds like sense till you think about it.
Danny's decision worked out right on Saturday. Good for him. I'm on his side. If I'd have been in charge I'd have been wanting both to jump and not jump everywhichway all at once. My point is FEAR has a role in human decision-making, it helps not to be eaten by a wild animal ..... but if it becomes the whole of your decision-making model then you hide inside all day. A fresh player should be able to slot into a particular role within the team certainly without disrupting it, but also actually improving it.
Wrong decisions also get the right result occasionally. If you make a once-in-a-blue-moon decision and it turns out there is a blue moon the danger is you'll be looking for a blue moon tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. Deep down you know it's true. But Matt is absolutely right, making subs is hard. Look at some of the substitutions top managers make - crowds boo, commentators express surprise, pundits shake their heads - but over a long period of time these guys know what they are doing.
I'm not trying to condemn Danny. At the moment top clubs are apparently interested in Huddersfield's manager, Wagner, because he has them pressing for promotion to the Premiership. Danny Wilson achieved exactly what Huddersfield are hoping for with a smaller, less historically-successful club in Barnsley. HE DID THAT! So he knows more about the rewards and pitfalls of making substitutions than me and is probably wondering if he made the right decision against Bolton, or just struck lucky.
Quentin Crisp just let the dust accumulate. He observed that once it reached a certain depth it didn't get any worse.
RE: Credit where its due - Blue - spireitematt - 23-12-2016
Looks like we weren't the only one's to spoil Bolton's party last Saturday.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4057880/Photo-grinning-policeman-posing-hoard-alcohol-confiscated-football-fans-mocked-online.html