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Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - 0762 - 31-12-2015
After attending and witnessing the ridiculous sectarian shenanigans performed by a huge proportion of Rangers fans during the match at Ibrox on Monday afternoon, I think this is a very appropriate question/topic to raise on this Hibs board. My own view, as previously stated, is that there is no place for such sectarian poison in a civilised society or indeed in 21st century Scottish football culture, and it should be eradicated by an appropriate government or football body.
In a recent discussion on bbc Sportsound, the journalist, Graham Speirs, was asked if Rangers return to the top tier of Scottish football was a welcome addition to the game and his reply said it all for me and, I'm sure, many other decent Scottish football fans up and down the country - 'I'd relish seeing Rangers competitive return to the top flight but sadly I don't want to see their poisonous culture returning to infect the game. That's something I don't miss and it's very evident that poisonous culture is still alive and kicking just like before'. A succinct comment and straight to the crux of the matter!! Of course, some warped Rangers individuals would actually classify Speirs as some kinda bigot (lol!!!) but I always regarded him as a closet Rangers fan - very ironic! Hence the question: 'Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current poisonous form'? I think retrospectively Rangers FC needs Scottish football a lot more than many people realise but they'd better somehow 'clean up their act' sooner rather than later or other forces are gonna clean it up for them even if it means removal or hefty financial sanctions being imposed to force home the enormity of their indiscretions, some of them most certainly violent and intimidatory, and the subsequent threat to the good of the game in Scotland!!
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - Paigntonhibby - 31-12-2015
As long as bigotry is considered acceptable by any section o' our society then mindless morons will take that as a green[nae pun intended] light tae continue spilling their hatred. I have never understood how a mans religion can make him a target for hatred.
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - Fredstersafool - 31-12-2015
Sectarian pish is not welcome no matter what century we are in,do we need The Rangers? Nope not in any shape or form but we are stuck with them,Armageddon eh??
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - 0762 - 31-12-2015
Aye! Also using any sport as a 'platform of hatred' really does take the biscuit when studying the whole ideology of sport and why many people participate in it and also spectate! A crazy philosophy TBF.
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - 0762 - 31-12-2015
The latest twist in this Ibrox fiasco is that big Frank Dougan, a Hibs non exec board member had placed a formal complaint re the sectarian behaviour and more importantly the lax policing and security measures at Ibrox inallowing this illegal shit.. Delighted someone has challenged this situ. However, a poisonous hate campaign has begun online against Frank. This is the diabolical Rangers culture of intimidation and threats well exposed and being currently investigated by Police Scotland. Frank spoilt their party - what a shame!
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - supercooper - 31-12-2015
(31-12-2015, 15:05)Fredstersafool Wrote: Sectarian pish is not welcome no matter what century we are in,do we need The Rangers? Nope not in any shape or form but we are stuck with them,Armageddon eh??
I assume Celtic are also in that equation fred given their fans belting out the songbook of hate against Hearts at tynecastle? Or is that to be glossed over. Very easy to just blame one club when there is an element in most clubs. And it's quite evident with the bile spouted on this board. I leave you to wallow in your hate . Happy new year by the way.
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - hibeejim21 - 31-12-2015
Why the SFA fought tooth and nail and pissed over their own rules to help resurrect that horrific institution is anyones guess,probably had a lot to do with preserving their own complicit arses. But thats another long story.
Whats really annoying is the lack of comment and condemnation from our supposed media,even rangers mealy mouthed 'please don't punish us' statement admits there was wrongdoing but 99% of our journalists won't touch it. Some of them (hello chris mclaughlin) won't even admit it happened. Anyone who heard it on tv or was at the game knows full and well it was no minority, shame on them for helping promote that nonsense.
It will never change because a) rangers as a club make too much money out of being a platform for hatred of irish catholicism and b) they simply don't think they are doing anything wrong. Depressing.
(31-12-2015, 19:29)supercooper Wrote:(31-12-2015, 15:05)Fredstersafool Wrote: Sectarian pish is not welcome no matter what century we are in,do we need The Rangers? Nope not in any shape or form but we are stuck with them,Armageddon eh??
I assume Celtic are also in that equation fred given their fans belting out the songbook of hate against Hearts at tynecastle? Or is that to be glossed over. Very easy to just blame one club when there is an element in most clubs. And it's quite evident with the bile spouted on this board. I leave you to wallow in your hate . Happy new year by the way.
Here we have a perfect example of the problem,they get caught out but its always someone else's fault. Its always flipped into the hatred and bile being against them.
A happy whataboutery new year to you too.
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - Trusevich - 31-12-2015
A ridiculous, pointless thread posted for one reason only - to have another pop at Rangers.
If you want to discuss offensive behaviour at football, then at least discuss the whole problem and not just the stuff your own hatred finds 'offensive', because the more you ignore the rest of it and focus only on The Big Bad Rangers, the less chance there is of ever finding an answer.
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - Fredstersafool - 31-12-2015
Cooper not at all it goes for very on this is not a one trick pony,it just needs to be stopped but it seems very very far away sadly I doubt it'll happen in my lifetime or that of my five year son but I live in hope
RE: Does Scottish football really need Rangers FC in it's current toxic state? - St Charles Owl - 31-12-2015
100% correct Trus!!! The premise of the question in the OP is completely wrong!! To use a current affairs analogy from over here, this is the same as Donald Trump's solution to Islamist extremists, simply ban Muslims to remove the problem!!
If you want to discuss sectarianism in Scottish football and indeed in Scottish society then do so, but to simply "ban" one offender while ignoring the bigger picture is either just petty hatred towards Rangers or even worse complete ignorance of the problem as a whole. There are very few mainsteam clubs in Scotland who have not suffered from an element of their support spouting sectarian crap, Hibs included, its time that Scottish Football and more importantly the Scottish legal system deals with this across the board.
I think some clubs have done a lot to eradicate this and for sure Rangers need to do a lot more to stop this at Ibrox but continually blaming just one portion of the problem will not eradicate this as a whole.