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All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - talkSAFT - 31-05-2015
Points awarded:
7 for Winners; 6 for Losing Finalists; 5 for Losing Semi-finalists; ..........1 for Losing 3rd Round (I didn't bother with Beaten in Rounds 1 and 2.)
(4 pts for early Years' winners when there were only 4 Rounds, etc.)
1 Arsenal 345
2 Everton 342
3 Manchester United 336
4 Liverpool 333
5 Aston Villa 329
6 Tottenham Hotspur 317
7 Blackburn Rovers 303
8 Chelsea 298
9 West Bromwich Albion 296
10 Newcastle United 284
11 Sheffield Wednesday 279
12 Wolverhampton Wanderers 274
13 Manchester City 273
14 Bolton Wanderers 270
15 Nottingham Forest 268
16 Sheffield United 265
17 Derby County 258
18 Sunderland 257
19 Birmingham City 238
20 Southampton 235
21 West Ham United 234
22 Middlesbrough 233
22 Preston North End 233
24 Burnley 227
25 Stoke City 215
26 Leicester City 202
27 Portsmouth 193
28 Leeds United 183
29 Notts County 182
30 Fulham 180
31 Huddersfield Town 167
32 Millwall 158
33 Luton Town 157
34 Barnsley 156
34 Norwich City 156
36 Crystal Palace 151
37 Charlton Athletic 147
38 Blackpool 146
39 Cardiff City 144
40 Coventry City 140
40 Queen's Park Rangers 140
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - silverbaggie - 31-05-2015
How the hell did Birmingham get 238 points when they've never won it????
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - aries22 - 31-05-2015
Bury have won it twice.
Can the table be re-done based just on winning the FA Cup?
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - talkSAFT - 31-05-2015
(31-05-2015, 16:14)silverbaggie Wrote: How the hell did Birmingham get 238 points when they've never won it????
Well, they've competed in (say) 119 tournaments.
If they got - on average - to the 2nd stage (4th Round), which gives you 2 pts, that would give them 238 pts.
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - Ska'dForLife-WBA - 31-05-2015
If I have a quibble with the scoring system, it's that awarding a point to teams knocked out in the third round means sides who've competed in the top two divisions most of their history get an immediate and unearned head start. For instance, hypothetically, a team who've played in the top two tiers for 125 years but have never progressed past the third round would have 125 points despite having lost every single cup match they've ever played!
The fairest system would be to award points for progressing through each round, with a large bonus for winning the trophy (being able to rise to the occasion, etc). Ideally, points should also be weighted in earlier rounds to reflect divisional differences between teams and reward upsets (i.e. Hereford/York/Woking should get more points for knocking out Newcastle/Arsenal/Albion than one team beating another in the same division). That way you can reward historical minnows and giant-killers for their relative achievements too.
However, that would obviously be a much bigger and more complex project, so don't take it as a challenge!
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - talkSAFT - 31-05-2015
(31-05-2015, 17:13)Ska Wrote: If I have a quibble with the scoring system, it's that awarding a point to teams knocked out in the third round means sides who've competed in the top two divisions most of their history get an immediate and unearned head start. For instance, hypothetically, a team who've played in the top two tiers for 125 years but have never progressed past the third round would have 125 points despite having lost every single cup match they've ever played!
The fairest system would be to award points for progressing through each round, with a large bonus for winning the trophy (being able to rise to the occasion, etc). Ideally, points should also be weighted in earlier rounds to reflect divisional differences between teams and reward upsets (i.e. Hereford/York/Woking should get more points for knocking out Newcastle/Arsenal/Albion than one team beating another in the same division). That way you can reward historical minnows and giant-killers for their relative achievements too.
However, that would obviously be a much bigger and more complex project, so don't take it as a challenge!
I'll give that a miss, Ska'd, (as you advise).
To those minnows, who have gained 1pt through battling to the 3rd Round, fair play to them, and I could have named them all . But it would make dreary reading - there are over 170 teams, including Frickley Athletic, Yeading, and several others on 1 pt.
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - Dingle-Dingle - 31-05-2015
If you have the points tally I would be interested in how many The Royal Engineers have?? DD
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - talkSAFT - 01-06-2015
(31-05-2015, 21:11)Dingle-Dingle Wrote: If you have the points tally I would be interested in how many The Royal Engineers have?? DD
45, DD.
Cameron's old favourites Old Etonians got 41. (I wonder if he knows that his new team got thrashed on Saturday).
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - Dingle-Dingle - 01-06-2015
(01-06-2015, 09:40)talkSAFT Wrote:(31-05-2015, 21:11)Dingle-Dingle Wrote: If you have the points tally I would be interested in how many The Royal Engineers have?? DD
45, DD.
Cameron's old favourites Old Etonians got 41. (I wonder if he knows that his new team got thrashed on Saturday).
Thanks M8Y DD
RE: All-time F.A.Cup Success 1872 to 2015 - Ska'dForLife-WBA - 01-06-2015
(01-06-2015, 09:40)talkSAFT Wrote:(31-05-2015, 21:11)Dingle-Dingle Wrote: If you have the points tally I would be interested in how many The Royal Engineers have?? DD
45, DD.
Cameron's old favourites Old Etonians got 41. (I wonder if he knows that his new team got thrashed on Saturday).
West Ham weren't playing on Saturday, were they?
