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Qatar World Cup - talkSAFT - 24-02-2015
So FIFA are now conceding that the 2022 QC has to be played in Nov/Dec (because of the temperature).
Well, what a bunch of tw*ts we have running the show!!
The FA should come out straightaway and boycott the tournament......Other European Nations would follow, without doubt.
RE: Qatar World Cup - DannytheBaggie - 24-02-2015
I live in Qatar, and whilst this decision is the right one because of the temperature, the tournament should never has gone to Qatar in the first place.
It is however, not Qatar’s fault. They bid on, and have been preparing for a summer World Cup in 2022. I believe the decision to move to Nov/Dec is obviously better for the players but it’s the fan’s that FIFA are concerned about the most. The players will be playing in air conditioned stadiums whereas the fans will be left to roam about in Qatar in temperatures that are ridiculous.
What I can say is that this will be the best the best world cup there has ever been, both for the fans that make the journey and the players involved. All games played in effectively one city, in state of the art stadiums, linked by state of the art public transport. Fans watching this on TV will be amazed!
Qatar will go above and beyond what you can imagine…but sadly this will come at the cost of many, many lives and poor workers welfare which overrides every positive previously alluded to and is therefore unacceptable.
This is the 21st century though, and like it or lump it… money talks :-(
RE: Qatar World Cup - talkSAFT - 24-02-2015
Interesting, Danny.
We shouldn't forget that it's the WORLD Cup, and not just designed for us in Europe/S.America, but World Cups and Summer Olympics are ALWAYS played out in the Summer months. It shouldn't be changed just so we can pretend to care that it's staged in every part of the globe. (Can't wait for the Greenland Olympics).
I haven't taken much interest in the schedules or facilities. I'm assuming then that there ARE plenty of Stadiums in this City, hosting the games, and also plenty of air-conditioned and shaded training facilities (?)
But if so, WHY change to Nov/Dec? Just for the fans? If fans are daft enough to go and watch - rather than just sit at home and watch, like me - they can watch the evening games, and sleep through the day!
I still think it's barmy, and I still can't believe that anyone who voted for Qatar hasn't got paid an awful amount of money!
I hope the Authorities don't just ignore the plight of the poor souls/slaves actually building the stadiums.
RE: Qatar World Cup - DannytheBaggie - 24-02-2015
All good points Talk Saft. And I think it’s great to host the world cup all around the world but as you say, it is a summer competition and that was the basis of the bids. Qatar also bid on this basis which is why I say it is not their fault for the change. They have been preparing for a summer world cup. However, in the summer the heat is not just in the day. At night, the humidity rises and it is just as bad. Therefore a summer world cup is not a realistic option.
In Doha there are already many stadiums as there are 2 divisions of the Qatar Stars professional league and most teams have their own stadium. All of these stadiums (apart from one maybe) will be either be knocked down and be re-built in the same location or they will be refurbished and adapted to host the world cup matches. If the World Cup is hosted in Nov/Dec the stadiums will not need to be air conditioned enabled as the weather will be absolutely fine then – both in the day and at night, therefore saving a lot of money.
There will also be brand new stadiums in new locations. Doha is a small city and the majority of games will be hosted there but there will also be at least 3 stadiums outside of Doha hosting games. The final will be played in the city of Lusail (they also host the first round of the Moto GP there). This city hasn’t even been built yet :-D ha,ha.
Something dodgy may have gone on, but that would be the case with all bidding nations (not to the same extent maybe). But we are talking about FIFA here and Sepp Blatter. Possibly the most corrupt/unethical organisation in the World. The fact he keeps getting re-elected tells his own story…
RE: Qatar World Cup - aries22 - 24-02-2015
(24-02-2015, 15:16)talkSAFT Wrote: Interesting, Danny.Not quite true. Every time the World Cup is held in June/July in South America (or South Africa, as was the case in 2010) it's their winter, and comes in the middle of their domestic seasons. We Europeans just expect them to drop everything, hold a World Cup and fit their seasons around the World Cup.
We shouldn't forget that it's the WORLD Cup, and not just designed for us in Europe/S.America, but World Cups and Summer Olympics are ALWAYS played out in the Summer months.
RE: Qatar World Cup - drewks - 24-02-2015
(24-02-2015, 15:49)DannytheBaggie Wrote: All good points Talk Saft. And I think it’s great to host the world cup all around the world but as you say, it is a summer competition and that was the basis of the bids. Qatar also bid on this basis which is why I say it is not their fault for the change. They have been preparing for a summer world cup. However, in the summer the heat is not just in the day. At night, the humidity rises and it is just as bad. Therefore a summer world cup is not a realistic option.
....the whole point is that, as you say Danny, Qatar won the bid as a SUMMER competition. How come it's only after they did win that everyone - sorry, FIFA - discovered that it actually gets a little warm in the summer?!!
This is a bit like giving the Winter Olympics to The Seychelles.
The only possible conclusion for this barmy decision is that Qatar have paid an obscene amount of money to FIFA and/or their officials - and I would suggest that, on that basis, in fact it IS Qatar's fault - theirs and FIFA's. Qatar and their FA obviously knew that a summer competition was impossible all along.
GGGggggrrrrrrr
RE: Qatar World Cup - Ska'dForLife-WBA - 24-02-2015
(24-02-2015, 16:49)aries22 Wrote:(24-02-2015, 15:16)talkSAFT Wrote: Interesting, Danny.Not quite true. Every time the World Cup is held in June/July in South America (or South Africa, as was the case in 2010) it's their winter, and comes in the middle of their domestic seasons. We Europeans just expect them to drop everything, hold a World Cup and fit their seasons around the World Cup.
We shouldn't forget that it's the WORLD Cup, and not just designed for us in Europe/S.America, but World Cups and Summer Olympics are ALWAYS played out in the Summer months.
That's a fair point, but it's also something South Americans have accepted without protest (as far as I'm aware) for 80 years or so.
Chris Lepkowski wrote an amusing post on Twitter earlier along the lines of "can't wait to switch the Christmas tree on, put the tinsel up and watch UAE vs Bulgaria". That pretty much sums it up for me. Logically and rationally, there's no reason the World Cup shouldn't be held in November and December - there's no reason the early rounds of the FA Cup couldn't be played over summer and the final held at Christmas while you're at it - but it completely flies in the face of all history and tradition, and those are powerful emotional ties.
John Oliver got it spot on when he said if football is his religion, then FIFA is the Catholic Church. No matter how much you dress up some of their decisions and policies, or try and believe they actually have something other than personal gain at heart, the facts sadly speak for themselves. What I see here is footballing tradition being swept aside not for the greater good of the sport, which would at least be tolerable, but for the convenience of some very rich men who are getting even richer as we speak.
RE: Qatar World Cup - DannytheBaggie - 25-02-2015
Drewks,
Whilst Qatar 'may' have paid large sums of money, I cannot agree with you that it is their fault. As I say, they bid for a summer world cup and have been preparing for a summer world cup. Many of my friends work for the Qatar World Cup committee and have informed me this is the case.
It is not Qatar's fault if FIFA make the (sensible) decision to move this to a winter world cup. It benefits everyone involved apart from the European leagues.
It is FIFA's fault that Qatar won the bid. FIFA have changed the criteria of the bid and all bidding nations should file lawsuits against FIFA. I believe Australia may be in the process of doing this?
RE: Qatar World Cup - Bournemouth Baggie - 25-02-2015
Occurs to me that perhaps given that playing in the Winter is the most sensible option should it not be staged in Jan or Feb, technically will then be 2023 unless it's early 2022 obviously but a boost after Christmas for retail and pubs and doesn't balls up pre-Christmas
RE: Qatar World Cup - Salopbaggie - 25-02-2015
While the process of awarding the World Cup to Qatar might be open to question, if we accept the situation, then there are some interesting consequences of it.
Imagine some of the top 6 teams losing a lot of their stars for 4 - 6 weeks, it certainly would be a bit of a leveller in the Premiership and should prove for a more interesting season in terms of league positions as the lower clubs with fewer international players would remain pretty much intact while the big clubs could see their first teams decimated. OK the reserves of some of the bigger clubs should still be able to field a team as good as most clubs first teams but they will not be as used to playing first team football together.