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RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - bomberbrown1968 - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 12:09)Sir Megson Wrote: Think there are a few sacred cows in our squad that aren't allowed to be criticized and Morrison is definitely one of them. Great servant but we have better players in the squad now and it's time for Pulis to start utilizing them.
Have to disagree SirMegson, who have we got better in that role?
Great servant has nothing to do with it either, he's still the one consistent creative central midfielder we've got, everyone else is either defensive or better suited to the flanks. Chadli is the obvious alternative, I liked him when he first came but he's seriously blotted his copy book deciding not to go to Austria and clearly has issues with TP.
Nothing wrong with the starting XI it was how they were utilised, and IMO Morrison is in it on merit
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - Sir Megson - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 15:58)bomberbrown1968 Wrote:(17-09-2017, 12:09)Sir Megson Wrote: Think there are a few sacred cows in our squad that aren't allowed to be criticized and Morrison is definitely one of them. Great servant but we have better players in the squad now and it's time for Pulis to start utilizing them.
Have to disagree SirMegson, who have we got better in that role?
Great servant has nothing to do with it either, he's still the one consistent creative central midfielder we've got, everyone else is either defensive or better suited to the flanks. Chadli is the obvious alternative, I liked him when he first came but he's seriously blotted his copy book deciding not to go to Austria and clearly has issues with TP.
Nothing wrong with the starting XI it was how they were utilised, and IMO Morrison is in it on merit
Off the pitch issues aside Chadli is clearly a better player than Morrison is now, and not including Chadli if he's fit and just because of these off the pitch issues is cutting our nose off to spite our face.
My point with utilizing the squad better is highlighted with Chadli also as he's often been wasted playing out on a flank instead of in the hole behind Rondon where he could do the most damage. Quite possibly why theres been a run in with TP?
I'm not saying Morrison should be never played again, just that I find he's one of a few players who never seen to get a rollicking off the fans for a poor display when he has one.
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - Worldclassalbion - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 17:19)Sir Megson Wrote:(17-09-2017, 15:58)bomberbrown1968 Wrote:(17-09-2017, 12:09)Sir Megson Wrote: Think there are a few sacred cows in our squad that aren't allowed to be criticized and Morrison is definitely one of them. Great servant but we have better players in the squad now and it's time for Pulis to start utilizing them.
Have to disagree SirMegson, who have we got better in that role?
Great servant has nothing to do with it either, he's still the one consistent creative central midfielder we've got, everyone else is either defensive or better suited to the flanks. Chadli is the obvious alternative, I liked him when he first came but he's seriously blotted his copy book deciding not to go to Austria and clearly has issues with TP.
Nothing wrong with the starting XI it was how they were utilised, and IMO Morrison is in it on merit
Off the pitch issues aside Chadli is clearly a better player than Morrison is now, and not including Chadli if he's fit and just because of these off the pitch issues is cutting our nose off to spite our face.
My point with utilizing the squad better is highlighted with Chadli also as he's often been wasted playing out on a flank instead of in the hole behind Rondon where he could do the most damage. Quite possibly why theres been a run in with TP?
I'm not saying Morrison should be never played again, just that I find he's one of a few players who never seen to get a rollicking off the fans for a poor display when he has one.
I too disagree Mego. Morrison is a better all round player than Chadli. £13m wasted in my opinion.
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - Sir Megson - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 17:22)Worldclassalbion Wrote:(17-09-2017, 17:19)Sir Megson Wrote:(17-09-2017, 15:58)bomberbrown1968 Wrote:(17-09-2017, 12:09)Sir Megson Wrote: Think there are a few sacred cows in our squad that aren't allowed to be criticized and Morrison is definitely one of them. Great servant but we have better players in the squad now and it's time for Pulis to start utilizing them.
Have to disagree SirMegson, who have we got better in that role?
Great servant has nothing to do with it either, he's still the one consistent creative central midfielder we've got, everyone else is either defensive or better suited to the flanks. Chadli is the obvious alternative, I liked him when he first came but he's seriously blotted his copy book deciding not to go to Austria and clearly has issues with TP.
Nothing wrong with the starting XI it was how they were utilised, and IMO Morrison is in it on merit
Off the pitch issues aside Chadli is clearly a better player than Morrison is now, and not including Chadli if he's fit and just because of these off the pitch issues is cutting our nose off to spite our face.
My point with utilizing the squad better is highlighted with Chadli also as he's often been wasted playing out on a flank instead of in the hole behind Rondon where he could do the most damage. Quite possibly why theres been a run in with TP?
I'm not saying Morrison should be never played again, just that I find he's one of a few players who never seen to get a rollicking off the fans for a poor display when he has one.
I too disagree Mego. Morrison is a better all round player than Chadli. £13m wasted in my opinion.
The only waste was spending that money on an attacking midfielder and playing him on the wing. Hasn't been given a chance to play for a consistent run of games in his preferred position since he signed for us.
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - BaggieSteve - 17-09-2017
I have to agree with Bomber. I think that Morrison has been one of our few creative players under Pulis, not that that means a lot. As you say, Chadli is the obvious alternative and I would actually like to see him integrated back into the team, which may be at the expense of Morrison. However, I think Jimmy Morrison has been one of the few players picked by Pulis who doesn't fall into the category of speedy winger (McLean, Phillips and Burke) or defensive midfielder (pick one from any number). He's probably not as good as he was a few years ago but I still think he has an important role to play in the squad
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - bomberbrown1968 - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 17:19)Sir Megson Wrote:(17-09-2017, 15:58)bomberbrown1968 Wrote:(17-09-2017, 12:09)Sir Megson Wrote: Think there are a few sacred cows in our squad that aren't allowed to be criticized and Morrison is definitely one of them. Great servant but we have better players in the squad now and it's time for Pulis to start utilizing them.
Have to disagree SirMegson, who have we got better in that role?
Great servant has nothing to do with it either, he's still the one consistent creative central midfielder we've got, everyone else is either defensive or better suited to the flanks. Chadli is the obvious alternative, I liked him when he first came but he's seriously blotted his copy book deciding not to go to Austria and clearly has issues with TP.
Nothing wrong with the starting XI it was how they were utilised, and IMO Morrison is in it on merit
Off the pitch issues aside Chadli is clearly a better player than Morrison is now, and not including Chadli if he's fit and just because of these off the pitch issues is cutting our nose off to spite our face.
My point with utilizing the squad better is highlighted with Chadli also as he's often been wasted playing out on a flank instead of in the hole behind Rondon where he could do the most damage. Quite possibly why theres been a run in with TP?
I'm not saying Morrison should be never played again, just that I find he's one of a few players who never seen to get a rollicking off the fans for a poor display when he has one.
The rift between Chadli and TP, is I would imagine a pretty wide one. Both would have been happy as Larry if the Swansea move had come off and so would I. The Austria thing really gripes with me, a very well paid footballer refuses to do what every other player did regardless of whether it was hard work by the sound of it very gruelling.
That smacks of a bad attitude to me one which doesn't enamour him to the manager, his team mates and us, and I stand by what I said, Morrison is the best player of that kind and IMO that includes Chadli
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - Sir Megson - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 18:08)BaggieSteve Wrote: I have to agree with Bomber. I think that Morrison has been one of our few creative players under Pulis, not that that means a lot. As you say, Chadli is the obvious alternative and I would actually like to see him integrated back into the team, which may be at the expense of Morrison. However, I think Jimmy Morrison has been one of the few players picked by Pulis who doesn't fall into the category of speedy winger (McLean, Phillips and Burke) or defensive midfielder (pick one from any number). He's probably not as good as he was a few years ago but I still think he has an important role to play in the squad
Nail on the head there Steve - he has about 3-4 good performances a season now and mostly anonymous throughout an amount of the rest of his appearances. You seem to share my view that he's still useful to have in the squad though, would just like to see Chadli given a chance in the centre attacking mid role - with him and some pace on the flanks from someone like Burke we'd be a great counter attacking side.
I'm actually quite happy my opinion isn't a popular one on here and most seemingly are in disagreement, it basically underlines my point that Jimmy is basically above having any sort of criticism and frankly is one of a few too many sacred cows we have in the squad. Anyone who watched the game yesterday must have seen how poor a game he had? He either played it sideways or gave it away. Created absolutely nothing. In the first half he basically got set up with a headed chance from a cross from Brunt that I could have finished and managed to put it out for a throw in! If that was Rondon missing that chance there'd probably be a sodding thread opened separate to the match thread with discussion/criticism about it!
Dedicated professional and will go down as a modern day Albion legend for his tenure with us, no doubt about it. But I'm not going to let that blind me to the fact he had a poor game yesterday along with others and they are all deserving of the criticism that goes with a poor performance.
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - Salopbaggie - 17-09-2017
I would say that there are two sides to the Morrison Chadli debate, personally, I think Chadli is a far better attacking midfielder than Jimmy, especially when playing in the hole behind the striker. Our biggest problem as a team, is the link up between defence and the striker/s and that is exactly why we only have 1 or 2 shots on goal a game. We defend pretty well, but then give the opposition the ball back a third of the way up the pitch, simple because we don't have anyone playing there who knows what forward means. However Morrison is a fans favourite because as well as being a good player. he leaves it all on the field and always gives 100%, where Chadli does what he thinks is enough to get through, if only you could mix the two!!
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - Zinman - 17-09-2017
(17-09-2017, 19:29)Salopbaggie Wrote: I would say that there are two sides to the Morrison Chadli debate, personally, I think Chadli is a far better attacking midfielder than Jimmy, especially when playing in the hole behind the striker. Our biggest problem as a team, is the link up between defence and the striker/s and that is exactly why we only have 1 or 2 shots on goal a game. We defend pretty well, but then give the opposition the ball back a third of the way up the pitch, simple because we don't have anyone playing there who knows what forward means. However Morrison is a fans favourite because as well as being a good player. he leaves it all on the field and always gives 100%, where Chadli does what he thinks is enough to get through, if only you could mix the two!!
Combine the 2 and we'd end up with the one with less attacking ability who doesn't work hard enough.
My take on the debate is that Jimmy is worth his place in the squad but isn't consistently good enough to play the no 10 role as a starter, certainly against the teams we should be looking to beat. I'd prefer to see either Chadli, Phillips, Rodriguez or Burke in that role but that would probably be a bit too attacking for our current leader.
RE: WBA vs West Ham - Match Thread - talkSAFT - 17-09-2017
Jimmy and Brunty were only brought back into the team this time last year because of injuries/suspensions (I think!) What a difference they made; and we went on a really good run of form till into 2017. Don't underestimate their ability; give them a few games and their class will shine through again.
(Jimmy had a stinker yesterday, though, although Brunty was only 2nd best to Barry imo).