(06-03-2016, 00:56)TheWorthinGer Wrote:

(05-03-2016, 21:04)St Charles Owl Wrote: I am sure its a source of frustration for every club who does not manage to sell out their ground for regular league games.  I also would like to say I don't like the term "fair Weather fans", by the descriptions on here I would be one of them but I am by no means a fair weather fan, just one who cannot get to games regularly.  People don't go to ordinary games for all sorts of reasons, its up to clubs to provide initiatives etc to attract them more but ultimately its success on the field that always draws more fans to games and Hibs have been a little short of that recently!!!

It's all about scale. I don't go to every game. 3 games last season and 3 this, but it's a 1000 miles round trip. Family work and finances don't allow me the luxury of following my team the way I did as a boy.  No doubt there will be hibs fans travelling equally long or greater distances or with responsibilities that make commitment difficult, but the vast majority I would wager live and work within distances that make the regular support of the club all too possible yet don't. They are fair weather fans.

It's not just Hibs of course, all clubs have them in abundance, still you have to feel for a club that would be challenging for honours far more regularly than they do if just 25% of these cup final attendees that don't go to league games did so.

In Scotland a huge fraction of a club's income is derived from ticket sales and not TV money.

And, while football is an entertainment business, it's one that depends on the participation of the audience in creating and improving the product.

(06-03-2016, 11:30)hibeejim21 Wrote:

(06-03-2016, 00:56)TheWorthinGer Wrote:

(05-03-2016, 21:04)St Charles Owl Wrote: I am sure its a source of frustration for every club who does not manage to sell out their ground for regular league games.  I also would like to say I don't like the term "fair Weather fans", by the descriptions on here I would be one of them but I am by no means a fair weather fan, just one who cannot get to games regularly.  People don't go to ordinary games for all sorts of reasons, its up to clubs to provide initiatives etc to attract them more but ultimately its success on the field that always draws more fans to games and Hibs have been a little short of that recently!!!

It's all about scale. I don't go to every game. 3 games last season and 3 this, but it's a 1000 miles round trip. Family work and finances don't allow me the luxury of following my team the way I did as a boy.  No doubt there will be hibs fans travelling equally long or greater distances or with responsibilities that make commitment difficult, but the vast majority I would wager live and work within distances that make the regular support of the club all too possible yet don't. They are fair weather fans.

It's not just Hibs of course, all clubs have them in abundance, still you have to feel for a club that would be challenging for honours far more regularly than they do if just 25% of these cup final attendees that don't go to league games did so.

In Scotland a huge fraction of a club's income is derived from ticket sales and not TV money.

And, while football is an entertainment business, it's one that depends on the participation of the audience in creating and improving the product.

3 games a year   

Thats not supporting anything,thats tourism. 

One of those games wouldn't be a cup final by any chance ? I think the criticism of fair-weather fans should come from a more qualified source....If you don't mind.

(06-03-2016, 11:43)Paigntonhibby Wrote: As I've said before, years o' the weegie based media in thi s country pumping Celtic and rangers doon bairns throats disnae help, making it seem that they're the only two clubs that matter. Whatever crowds we get Hibs are my club and I'm proud tae be a hibby GGTTH

(06-03-2016, 13:00)Paigntonhibby Wrote: I'm a bit like yerself in as much as I go up as often as financial and work commitments allow. I go up for weekends when there is a game on and usually manage 4/5 games a year. I do what I can re shares and HSL tae put money Intae my club. All clubs have fair weather fans, even yours an d always will have no matter how successful they are , I widnae class myself as a fair weather fan , I go up when I can Nae matter how shite we're playing. It is sometimes frustrating when you play well and the fan numbers dinnae respond, if I lived up the road I'd be at every game, as I was before I moved away. There are a few reasons why fans lose interest in bread and butter games in the league, the Rangers Celtic love in promoted by the media, most clubs starting the season knowing they're on a loser before a ba's kicked(playing each other 4 times a season only helps the bigger clubs) and just the boredom o' playing each other 4 times a season. I think our clubs could play each other 7 or 8 times this season. But it is what it is and until clubs wake up and decide tae change things then they just have tae deal wi' it GGTTH

(06-03-2016, 12:41)hibeejim21 Wrote: 'And yes, a cup final'


 With someone else's allocation 

You are not a qualified source to talk about anyones support being fair weather - behave ffs.

(06-03-2016, 19:47)TheWorthinGer Wrote:

(06-03-2016, 13:00)Paigntonhibby Wrote: I'm a bit like yerself in as much as I go up as often as financial and work commitments allow. I go up for weekends when there is a game on and usually manage 4/5 games a year. I do what I can re shares and HSL tae put money Intae my club. All clubs have fair weather fans, even yours an d always will have no matter how successful they are , I widnae class myself as a fair weather fan , I go up when I can Nae matter how shite we're playing. It is sometimes frustrating when you play well and the fan numbers dinnae respond, if I lived up the road I'd be at every game, as I was before I moved away. There are a few reasons why fans lose interest in bread and butter games in the league, the Rangers Celtic love in promoted by the media, most clubs starting the season knowing they're on a loser before a ba's kicked(playing each other 4 times a season only helps the bigger clubs) and just the boredom o' playing each other 4 times a season. I think our clubs could play each other 7 or 8 times this season. But it is what it is and until clubs wake up and decide tae change things then they just have tae deal wi' it GGTTH

I'm in a similar boat. If I tried to go to every game i'd be spending 3k plus a year - there's no justifying that.

And yes "someone else's allocation" because my brother, who's allocation it is, can't make use of them. No one else is missing out because of it.

I'll also be at the QoS game, the Dumbarton game and, if I can get the tickets, Raith Rovers away.

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(06-03-2016, 12:41)hibeejim21 Wrote: 'And yes, a cup final'


 With someone else's allocation 

You are not a qualified source to talk about anyones support being fair weather - behave ffs.

I'm well qualified, because I'm not a fair weather fan. I'll spend a much money attending 3 or 4 games as some people will on a season ticket. And I'll attend any game thats being played while I'm there not just the glamour games. 

If you think driving over 1000 miles to attend games against the likes of Arbroath and Clyde isn't a show of support then I'd say you're just wrong.

(06-03-2016, 22:45)hibeejim21 Wrote:

(06-03-2016, 19:47)TheWorthinGer Wrote:

(06-03-2016, 13:00)Paigntonhibby Wrote: I'm a bit like yerself in as much as I go up as often as financial and work commitments allow. I go up for weekends when there is a game on and usually manage 4/5 games a year. I do what I can re shares and HSL tae put money Intae my club. All clubs have fair weather fans, even yours an d always will have no matter how successful they are , I widnae class myself as a fair weather fan , I go up when I can Nae matter how shite we're playing. It is sometimes frustrating when you play well and the fan numbers dinnae respond, if I lived up the road I'd be at every game, as I was before I moved away. There are a few reasons why fans lose interest in bread and butter games in the league, the Rangers Celtic love in promoted by the media, most clubs starting the season knowing they're on a loser before a ba's kicked(playing each other 4 times a season only helps the bigger clubs) and just the boredom o' playing each other 4 times a season. I think our clubs could play each other 7 or 8 times this season. But it is what it is and until clubs wake up and decide tae change things then they just have tae deal wi' it GGTTH

I'm in a similar boat. If I tried to go to every game i'd be spending 3k plus a year - there's no justifying that.

And yes "someone else's allocation" because my brother, who's allocation it is, can't make use of them. No one else is missing out because of it.

I'll also be at the QoS game, the Dumbarton game and, if I can get the tickets, Raith Rovers away.

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(06-03-2016, 12:41)hibeejim21 Wrote: 'And yes, a cup final'


 With someone else's allocation 

You are not a qualified source to talk about anyones support being fair weather - behave ffs.

I'm well qualified, because I'm not a fair weather fan. I'll spend a much money attending 3 or 4 games as some people will on a season ticket. And I'll attend any game thats being played while I'm there not just the glamour games. 

If you think driving over 1000 miles to attend games against the likes of Arbroath and Clyde isn't a show of support then I'd say you're just wrong.

You have no idea who these people you castigate as 'fair weather's' are or what their circumstances are or how they support the club.

People who go regular can make those kind of judgements if they want not someone who goes to 3 games a year.