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RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - HerefordBull - 03-03-2016
(03-03-2016, 13:07)TheWorthinGer Wrote: I don't regard the league cup as "wee" - since you can only draw league sides to progress it can be more difficult to win than the Scottish Cup.
Competitions are of equal value IMO.
Agreed Worthing , just a term thrown around by fans especially Jambos when they get knocked out the competition again.
(03-03-2016, 13:33)0762 Wrote:Agreed 0762 but unfortunately even with AS at the helm the same old failings appear to be there and so those cabbage fans who left some years ago are just waiting for us to "Hibs" it again. The signs unfortunately are still there although as I said earlier the games that this term can apply to are still to come.(03-03-2016, 12:58)exeterhibby Wrote: "Hibsing" , "Hibsed" , etc a game is to my mind very specific and only applies at a certain stage of competition especially when we have a good chance to win.
Often we play well and get good results to get us into a position to do something and then collapse at the last hurdle. ......that is then when the terms apply. Although the Hearts game was important it wasn't the final hurdle to achieve something. ( it would have been disappointing but we played well which the Hibs support would have appreciated). Even the league games although disappointing I don't put in this bracket......I still feel the chance of challenging Rangers went when we drew at Livingston. Without strong pressure on them, the way they are playing we were never going to challenge them and we would have to think more about Falkirk. There is now a different sort of pressure with a team breathing down our necks as opposed to chasing a side. .....most games we should win but as we have seen lately.....!
Therefore this season the games this could apply to are:
Scottish Cup : Final and perhaps the semi. ( depending who we are drawn against, eg: yes if Morton, no if Celtic)
Wee Cup final ( although we are playing a premier side so are underdogs)
Championship: last game with Falkirk if we need to win to get second. ( perhaps but still not the end of the World)
playoffs but especially the last game / decider.......most important game left in the season.....if we get there!
Stubbs has already experienced this in the Scottish Cup semi final last year v Falkirk and to a lesser extent v Rangers in the play offs.
Out of all the games mentioned I think the Championship games are now becoming the most important so we stay ahead of Falkirk and then only have a possible 4 games in the play offs. The cups are important but I think we will have to play Premier sides in all the remaining games so its half expected we will lose and as long as we give a good account in the competitions many in the Hibs support will accept it.
'mon Hibs
GGTTH
Stubbsy recently commented in a bbc interview that he is striving to change the 'why us' culture at ER Stadium after talking to so many different Hibs fans ever since arriving at ER from Everton FC. That includes me when I had a brief cordial discussion with him after the AGM in December. He knows the score and he is aware of the 'hurt' that is evident amongst a broad spectrum of Hibs fans and it's good that he knows these issues in order to orchestrate hopefully a different type of serious challenge coming from future Hibs sides, a challenge with a lot more belief that we can eventually succeed. In order to do that you change that kinda negative culture and he's trying very hard to do that! I hope he succeeds on behalf of a terrific Hibs support, one of the best supports in Scottish football! But I'm biased of course!
I also feel he has been found tactically wanting lately and it will be interesting to see if he changes the way we play in the next few games. It will also be interesting to see how ICT approach the match on Sunday......premier sides so far this year have approached us with a more attack minded play which gives us more room to play, but I think Yogi may take the Championship way and sit in , defend and frustrate us , giving us the possession and then catch us on the break........and also get as many crosses into the box as Oxley will eventually "balls" it up
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - Fredstersafool - 03-03-2016
Exeter I don't attend league cup games on the principal the winners get no recognition I.e a Europa space for me the trophy is worthless until they give the winners recognition of there achievement.
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - supercooper - 03-03-2016
I'd rather see a side consistent in the league get that european place, rather than a side who happened to have a good/ lucky cup run.
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - hibeejim21 - 03-03-2016
I get that. But i'd rather have the league cup meaning something. A europa place for the winner might make it more interesting and get some more people going to watch.
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - 0762 - 03-03-2016
The SPFL had the opportunity to do just that when their officials changed the format for the early start of this tourney in July 2016 - IMO another gaffe but is that any surprise to observing Scottish footie fans these days? No!!
Re your comment on Yogi's tactics v Hibs on Sunday, I must say I find Yogi's position is a curious one against a club he really loves and cherishes. His family is full of staunch hibees who match up to him, a Leither and a staunch hibee. A couple of months ago he commented in a sports radio interview that he really missed going to ER Stadium with his mates and he kinda hinted that being with ICT was good but it wouldn't take much for him to abscond from the place - the wrong locality for him? As a pro manager, he'll want to win this match but it's a curious situation for a guy who strongly empathises with Hibs fans and the club's plight in not winning the Scottish Cup after so many cup final let downs!! We'll see how this match actually unfolds in front of a huge Hibs crowd that Yogi would love to be amongst and revel in the atmosphere esp if it's a notable victory on the day!! He is indeed one of us and I certainly hope that no Cabbage fan boos him.
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - HerefordBull - 03-03-2016
(03-03-2016, 14:16)Fredstersafool Wrote: Exeter I don't attend league cup games on the principal the winners get no recognition I.e a Europa space for me the trophy is worthless until they give the winners recognition of there achievement.That explains why Hearts haven't won it since 1962
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - Fredstersafool - 03-03-2016
They tried hard enough few years ago sir but fell short,it's jus me Exeter the trophy is worthless enjoy yer day out at the final though
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - HerefordBull - 03-03-2016
(03-03-2016, 15:20)Fredstersafool Wrote: They tried hard enough few years ago sir but fell short,it's jus me Exeter the trophy is worthless enjoy yer day out at the final though
Unfortunately I cannot go Fred......will be there this Sunday but away the following week.....however everytime I'm not there they seem to win so perhaps best if I keep away lol
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - 0762 - 03-03-2016
(03-03-2016, 15:12)exeterhibby Wrote:(03-03-2016, 14:16)Fredstersafool Wrote: Exeter I don't attend league cup games on the principal the winners get no recognition I.e a Europa space for me the trophy is worthless until they give the winners recognition of there achievement.That explains why Hearts haven't won it since 1962
1962? That's 54 years, still not as long as our poor record in the Scottish Cup but long enough all the same! Bizarre! If either of our clubs had piled the requisite money into the financing of the football teams since then, these bizarre statistics would not be evident at all! It's all down to the size of the club and the restriction on finance without 'breaking the bank' and doing stupid things to almost bring down any football club! Money buys success, it can bring in better quality football players who can win trophies and that's a fact! eg Manchester City!
RE: Dumbarton v Hibs - Fredstersafool - 03-03-2016
I know the implications of spending dough you ain't got,trust me I'd rather have a club doing decent than one chucking money about to win a cup now and then.