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RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - Dancingwilldoit - 29-04-2017
He did it on his own at Forrest Blue. The best England manager that never was because of a big gob.
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - Devongone - 29-04-2017
I think Taylor was a good influence on Clough, but Clough could manage without Taylor whereas Taylor never succeeded alone.
Pooch, if an entire organisation makes bad decisions over a long period of time it isn't some manager/s a few rungs down the food chain, it is coming from the top. Danny didn't decide, "ooooh I'll ditch player development" after a thousand games as a manager of never doing that. It is simply unbelievable. He was obviously pressured into it. Some of GC's failings are almost certainly the result of the parameters within which he is forced to work.
Tony Wilson of Factory Records was a big football fan. He used to say as a boy you think the centre forward is most important man in your club, when you grow up you think it is the manager, only as you enter later life do you realise it was the Chairman all along. Pooch you're just a slow-developer in this area. You're still in the managerial stage.
Failing organisations create bad managerial decision-making. (And our organisation devolves on one man!)
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - bluepooch - 30-04-2017
Dancing ,I think youll find that Clough achieved his European success at Forest with Taylor by his side .
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - St Charles Owl - 30-04-2017
(30-04-2017, 02:12)bluepooch Wrote: Dancing ,I think youll find that Clough achieved his European success at Forest with Taylor by his side .
Correct Blue, Clough stayed on with Forest after Taylor retired but the League title and European Cups were when they were together, as they were at Derby.
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - Devongone - 30-04-2017
I think what I'm trying to say about GC and is that he says sensible stuff about player development and team building for instance, very much as AC sounds the part on finances ............ but what has been going on over the last few years now always makes me wonder whether there is a whole other agenda I'm missing. I'm not usually one for embracing conspiracy theories, though I love reading about them ......... but when so many things turn out to be not what they seem the circumstantial evidence begins to build.
I don't think Danny Wilson or Dean Saunders are bad men or idiots, any more than I think Caldwell is worse than naive. But all three have worked in such difficult circumstances that measuring their performance only on win/lose ratios is harsh. They are all men with human failings though. GC for instance is almost certainly ditching Dan Jones because he gave voice to his feelings certainly on-field and probably off it too. His injury record has become a worry but he certainly wasn't one of our worst players. DW clearly didn't rate SEB's attitude and consigned him to both inner and outer darkness, from which no one could benefit. BUT the real issue is not petty human and managerial failures it is how much the constraints under which they are working create the results they achieve. DW is certainly capable of achieving success and is very experienced, GC is very inexperienced but has already won a division. Both have struggled to achieve anything with us. Dean Saunders may not have had managerial success, but he has sent sides on winning runs and certainly does know the game ...... and he was heading us for relegation too.
Add in that Paul Cook chose to leave us at high speed rather than build another promotion bid when his successful team inevitably broke up ............. it suggests to me that Mr Allen's "break" from the club is just visible recognition of the continuing turmoil just below the surface for several years. Chesterfield is dysfunctional. Though we sell players for decent fees our debt never reduces, we do not buy replacement players and we were one of the lower-wage clubs in Division One. To me this suggests either our debt was incurred on such unfavourable interest terms that we can never do more than keep up with the interest payments, or that the whole of our business plan, like maintenance of the ground, payment of staff and potential income are out of kilter and unsustainable. If neither of those apply the explanation would be criminality (again).
If we take a good hiding at Bramall Lane this morning I'll hate it. We'll all question GC's decision to tell three players they are out next season and thus exclude them from this final game. I'll be asking how come SEB occupied the bench and the pitch in front of German and Beesley when he clearly had no future, but these questions over management style and decision-making only mask the the real problem and prevent us asking the questions someone urgently needs to put to the club.
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - bluepooch - 30-04-2017
Just listened to a good interview with AC about how players contracts werent properly checked and monitored in the past.an interesting listen
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - Dancingwilldoit - 30-04-2017
I stand corrected. Clough started and finished on his own at Forrest but Taylor was there when they won everything. Interesting that neither of them did anything on their own.
Can anybody explain to me please why Lge1 finishes today but Lge2 and the Championship don't finish until next weekend?
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - Devongone - 01-05-2017
Dancing, it must be to do with the process of maintaining "excitement" through the process of play-offs and ill-merited games at Wembley I should imagine. They need to stagger finishes to divisions so play-offs don't detract from each other. We don't have to worry our pretty little heads about that stuff - bottom is bottom. We know where we are.
Yes Pooch, that is precisely the kind of thing that makes me question everything about the club. Do we believe AC? If he's right why was it like that? Who gained from it? Agents? Or were we just inefficient idiots? When GC reveals there was no proper process of player development in place I have to ask why would Danny Wilson get rid of that? He could not benefit, the club couldn't in the long run either, and he would have to work harder ........... What the roger fluck?
That's why I look at our bench at Bramall Lane, note the absence behind anyone with shorts of Ricky German and conclude he must be leaving the club.
I look at our website, read all the fine sentiments of the club's Equality Statement and wonder if the irony of this hollow document can really be so lost on those in positions of power within the club.
Remember all those times you had to read me going on about why a club our size needed a Chief Executive ....... and WITH one we couldn't or DIDN'T even keep track of contracts. Ask WHAT WAS HE FOR? Unfortunately though, small globs of truth won't make a difference. Our dealings are so opaque ordinary fans become the club's victims. Whilst truth is only applied pragmatically from behind an everyday veil of secrecy the future looks bleak. If fans feel disqualified and abused they won't buy season tickets, our revenue will fall, and the Proact will become gradually more unsustainable IMO!
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - bluepooch - 01-05-2017
So no mention of your mate Ricky on the released list so I assume he is staying Dev unless we are selling him.
RE: THE AXEMAN COMETH - spireitematt - 01-05-2017
Contract offers will be made to four players, including Ian Evatt and Dan Gardner, while a total of 12 players will not be offered new deals.
Laurence Maguire and Rai Simons are the other players who are to be offered new contracts.
Manager Gary Caldwell announced on Friday that Sylvan Ebanks-Blake, Dan Jones and Angel Martinez would be leaving the club. The other players who have not been offered new contracts are Ritchie Humphreys, Liam Graham, Curtis Morrison, Jake Beesley, Thorsten Stuckmann, Lloyd Allinson, Sadiq El Fitouri, Jay O’Shea and Charlie Raglan.
Talks are taking place with Humphreys regarding the offer of a coaching role at the club.
Read more at http://www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/quartet-to-be-offered-new-contracts-3700971.aspx#uZRs3cujP5lVi0VM.99