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RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - Devongone - 04-09-2017
Pooch all I can say is if Ricardo isn't good enough now he certainly was just a few months ago.
If you are sending players out for development purposes you expect them to play. If they don't then you don't give a cowboy outfit a cheap sub in future.
As Ricky scored against every non-league team we played in friendlies and we always scored at least 4 I'd suggest the manager at Alfreton has listened to the idiot we have in charge. Craig Westcarr! Apart from being clinically dead, rejected by both Chesterfield and Mansfield is a pretty final verdict on your career. GC cares about as much about Ricky German as he did Paul McGinn (and how long did it take him to find a club, ten to fifteen minutes, nice one Gary!)
And I'm afraid it isn't not not yet for Ricky German it's not ever. Wait till Joe Rowley's fit ........ if we keep the same lunatic in charge of the asylum I'd bet he and Charlie Wakefield go out on loan before Christmas. Maguire's studying furniture upholstery to make the bench more comfortable. Dimaio injury's a godsend to GC.
Like Margaret Thatcher and every Tory since, Pooch, my Labour friend ,you are blaming the sick for the the problems of the health service, and workers for the shortcomings of management AND YOU YOURSELF DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. Ricky German doesn't struggle with any current centre backs, it's an ex-centre back that's frittering his talent away for him.
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - spireitematt - 04-09-2017
Paul McGinn was never given a chance.
We've sent Jack Brownell and Jay Smith on loan to Sheffield FC for a month.
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - bluepooch - 04-09-2017
My political beliefs are confusing even to myself. I hate liberal thinking ,I hate Tory greed where the rich get richer ,I hate the way Labour put equality at all costs at the top of their agenda including trying to derail brexit just to oppose the tories .
I hate the right wing labour people and the left wing tories and the centrists.
I hate the political correctness which forces people to make bizarre and stupid decisions because they are afraid to be seen to be in a minority or to oppose a minority.
I am neither right wing or left wing but do feel as if my views have become more extreme in the past few years ,Ive been driven to this by liberals ,soft left wing people and greedy right wing people,in other words the establishment .
I feel like forming a new party .The anti-establishment party
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - spireitematt - 05-09-2017
(04-09-2017, 23:40)bluepooch Wrote: My political beliefs are confusing even to myself. I hate liberal thinking ,I hate Tory greed where the rich get richer ,I hate the way Labour put equality at all costs at the top of their agenda including trying to derail brexit just to oppose the tories .
I hate the right wing labour people and the left wing tories and the centrists.
I hate the political correctness which forces people to make bizarre and stupid decisions because they are afraid to be seen to be in a minority or to oppose a minority.
I am neither right wing or left wing but do feel as if my views have become more extreme in the past few years ,Ive been driven to this by liberals ,soft left wing people and greedy right wing people,in other words the establishment .
I feel like forming a new party .The anti-establishment party
You could call it the Common Sense Party or join the SDP as they still run at grassroots level.
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - Devongone - 05-09-2017
The point is Ricky German is just the first example of how we are letting ALL OUR youngsters down.
I told you weeks ago that at the first opportunity Charlie Wakefield would be out of the match day eighteen. Not good enough? The crowd thought so just weeks ago when they applauded him off. But he's gone. Guess we're looking loanwards now. Delial, well he was looking a bit young wasn't he, so he's out. And Dimaio, well he would've been loaned out if he hadn't got crocked.
And look at the loans we CAREFULLY find for them. Yes, the youngsters need to play with and against men. The operative word is play. Two poor sods to Sheffield FC ....... so they're just being Jack Waddled, that's a message, forget them now. Ricky to Alfreton, who are keen to keep their old centre forward in the team ....... he's done too isn't he? Charlie'll be gone soon, then you'll hear that Joe Rowley needs games to get over his injury and he'll be off on loan to somewhere fairly obscure. Any development these players achieve will be totally accidental and due to a club other than Chesterfield. You might call it generationocide. And it happens throughout the football world, because many of the thick men who achieve managerial status in the game have little or no interest in bringing youngsters over that final step into first teams. Why? Because the manager fears for his job, his club's unproven youngster's are a risk. If you've got to have a youngster, because that's all you can afford, grab one of the hundreds at Man City ..... Man City youngster - that'll impress the fans even if we lose ....
Step One: if you loan a player out, WHERE matters. If Ricky German REALLY isn't good enough for Alfreton he should be at Clay Cross or Staveley and playing shouldn't he? Or sitting watching next to you Pooch. All he can learn watching Alfreton is how to be a non-league player and how to keep his frustration under control.
The ONE really good thing about Chesterfield FC when this manager arrived was more youngsters pushing against the first team door than I could remember in my lifetime. The few short months, that seem like a lifetime, since his arrival have brought one of them to the edge of first team status before injury struck and the rest have all taken at least one, if not several, steps back.
And when you take that lingering look at the talents we threw away notice the joe-anyon level of the signings we've replaced them with. Paul McGinn wasn't good enough, but Jak McCourt and Robbie Weir are? How quickly McGinn was snapped up by a team in Scotland tells you something ........ and it isn't anything good about Gary Caldwell.
Don't blame Ricky IF he isn't good enough for Alfreton. If he isn't good enough he obviously shouldn't be there. And if he is good enough their manager should be hearing from ours that we think he could burn up defences in the National League. What is actually happening is further proof that the place to look for us after our next league game will be bottom of the table (Port Vale willing!)
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - bluepooch - 05-09-2017
Dev i shudder to think how you would react if you were a fan of Man City or Chelsea who let tens of promising young professionals out on loan instead of giving them a chance in the first team .
It is a fact that going out on loan for a young player can be beneficial but it has to be said that the majority of these players end up spmewhere else
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - Dancingwilldoit - 05-09-2017
Yes but Man City and Chelsea have loads of kids on their books. Whats more they don't bring in other teams youngsters and some not very good signings to sideline their own homegrown talent.
Years ago Crewe were well known for bringing kids on and letting them play. The club flourished with good sell on fees and played attractive football.
If you were 16 and were offered terms by us and another team, if you looked at how many of our kids get a chance compared to those Barnsley or Peterborough you wouldn't give us a second thought.
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - spireitematt - 05-09-2017
(05-09-2017, 14:02)Dancingwilldoit Wrote: Yes but Man City and Chelsea have loads of kids on their books. Whats more they don't bring in other teams youngsters and some not very good signings to sideline their own homegrown talent.
Years ago Crewe were well known for bringing kids on and letting them play. The club flourished with good sell on fees and played attractive football.
If you were 16 and were offered terms by us and another team, if you looked at how many of our kids get a chance compared to those Barnsley or Peterborough you wouldn't give us a second thought.
City and Chelsea hardly bring any players through there youth team into the first team.
Peterborough like you mention how got a great set-up they bring players through and find gems in non-league and then sell them for a few million.
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - bluepooch - 05-09-2017
Where are Crewe now Dancing ? ,fat lot of good thats done them .Its all about having the right manager to use the resources in the best way .Dario Gradi was great at that .
RE: If there are any doubts about Tommy... - Devongone - 05-09-2017
Who fitted the blinkers on you Pooch?
If I were a Man City fan I'd be horrified that Jadon Sancho rips apart an international tournament and at 17 when offered his first proper contract by City he opts to go to Borussia. If I were a Chelsea fan I'd be bemused that they've had one of the country's best youth set-ups for years and have brought through zero players. Solanke went to Liverpool, Lukaku had to go to Everton for a game, Chalobah goes to Watford and immediately makes the England squad. They worry about replacing Matic, but have loaned out Loftus-Cheek who could. Tammy Abrahams scored 926 goals last season in the worst Bristol City side for years, does that get him a first team run as Costa won't play, no, off he goes to Swansea and Chelsea have even got the stupidity to bid for Llorente.
Lukaku was in Anderlecht's team at 16. He came to England and pissed his talent away till he got to Everton. That's what the fear inherent in English football does.
And WE, at little Chesterfield, who have the opportunity as a small-scale operation to do something better and wiser, are stupid enough to REPLICATE it! And worse still you Pooch, who I like as the owner of a functioning brain and as a true, good-hearted fan, you give it the nodding-dog treatment! UNBELIEVABLE, UNWORTHY OF YOU! I don't know if Ricky's good enough, but I know no one ever proved it sitting on the bench at the Impact Arena!
Ajax reached the semis of the Europa League with eight homegrown players under 23 in their eleven.
On Saturday our contribution to player development was just Maguire still welded to the bench In Div 2!
In a few short months a frightened little man who looks like Ken (of Barbie), has looked at all the cards we held for the future, even added to them and now he's carelessly discarding them! Wait till Joe Rowley's on the bench at Telford and it'll be too late to voice your concern. It shouldn't just be me chelping on about this, next home game the crowd should be singing the names of all the players who could be there and aren't. I'm not always right, in fact I'm not often right, but this time I'm on the money.