(09-07-2019, 20:53)Blue Baggie Wrote: I waiting for some of the posters to say we have to trust Dowling and Jenkins, this penny is taking a while to drop.
They have no respect for us the fans, they are just looking after themselves. They should be sacked, fined and banned from holding such positions.
Mark my words, when we have NO players left to sell, NO parachute payments to siphon off - they will be off, pockets bulging laughing at us.
With an owner who is not interested the only chance we have is if he sells up. Even then it will take 2 or 3 years to rebuild the club at best.  
Trying to get a dozen players to join and bond as a team in 3 weeks is never going to work. Forget it unless we want to kid ourselves.
Dowling and Jenkins have had weeks to bring players in and they have done nothing, why is that ? Simple, they are not bothered they just want to
rake as much money in as possible. It's all out of our control, we're not out! but we're going down IMO!
The plan to turn us into a Championship team is exactly that, sell off all the PL players and reduce the wage bill to suit the championship finances.
Problem is we haven't purchased anyone so we now cannot even compete in the championship, we're on the way down guys.
Reminds me of the saying F**K the icebergs full steam ahead theory.  
Apart from that the Academy has produced 2 potential superstars that we should be proud of.
Moore, Shan , Harrison, Cutler, Scott and Hopcroft to name but a few of the 44 members who made up the Academy team can take a bow.

(10-07-2019, 13:16)Voice-of-Sanity Wrote:

(09-07-2019, 20:53)Blue Baggie Wrote: I waiting for some of the posters to say we have to trust Dowling and Jenkins, this penny is taking a while to drop.
They have no respect for us the fans, they are just looking after themselves. They should be sacked, fined and banned from holding such positions.
Mark my words, when we have NO players left to sell, NO parachute payments to siphon off - they will be off, pockets bulging laughing at us.
With an owner who is not interested the only chance we have is if he sells up. Even then it will take 2 or 3 years to rebuild the club at best.  
Trying to get a dozen players to join and bond as a team in 3 weeks is never going to work. Forget it unless we want to kid ourselves.
Dowling and Jenkins have had weeks to bring players in and they have done nothing, why is that ? Simple, they are not bothered they just want to
rake as much money in as possible. It's all out of our control, we're not out! but we're going down IMO!
The plan to turn us into a Championship team is exactly that, sell off all the PL players and reduce the wage bill to suit the championship finances.
Problem is we haven't purchased anyone so we now cannot even compete in the championship, we're on the way down guys.
Reminds me of the saying F**K the icebergs full steam ahead theory.  
Apart from that the Academy has produced 2 potential superstars that we should be proud of.
Moore, Shan , Harrison, Cutler, Scott and Hopcroft to name but a few of the 44 members who made up the Academy team can take a bow.

We have this panic every summer!  Dowling said some of the players who stayed last summer would go and that Slav would get the the baseline budget plus whatever is raised through transfers.  That currently stands at 15m plus whatever we get for Rondon and Rogers, so around 30-35m.  We are very early in the window, let's see where we are on 8th August.  What we need is quality not quantity.  Another 4/5 on top of Krovinovic will make a massive difference.  I suspect it'll be quite a few more than that.

(10-07-2019, 15:06)Blue Baggie Wrote:

(10-07-2019, 13:16)Voice-of-Sanity Wrote:

(09-07-2019, 20:53)Blue Baggie Wrote: I waiting for some of the posters to say we have to trust Dowling and Jenkins, this penny is taking a while to drop.
They have no respect for us the fans, they are just looking after themselves. They should be sacked, fined and banned from holding such positions.
Mark my words, when we have NO players left to sell, NO parachute payments to siphon off - they will be off, pockets bulging laughing at us.
With an owner who is not interested the only chance we have is if he sells up. Even then it will take 2 or 3 years to rebuild the club at best.  
Trying to get a dozen players to join and bond as a team in 3 weeks is never going to work. Forget it unless we want to kid ourselves.
Dowling and Jenkins have had weeks to bring players in and they have done nothing, why is that ? Simple, they are not bothered they just want to
rake as much money in as possible. It's all out of our control, we're not out! but we're going down IMO!
The plan to turn us into a Championship team is exactly that, sell off all the PL players and reduce the wage bill to suit the championship finances.
Problem is we haven't purchased anyone so we now cannot even compete in the championship, we're on the way down guys.
Reminds me of the saying F**K the icebergs full steam ahead theory.  
Apart from that the Academy has produced 2 potential superstars that we should be proud of.
Moore, Shan , Harrison, Cutler, Scott and Hopcroft to name but a few of the 44 members who made up the Academy team can take a bow.

We have this panic every summer!  Dowling said some of the players who stayed last summer would go and that Slav would get the the baseline budget plus whatever is raised through transfers.  That currently stands at 15m plus whatever we get for Rondon and Rogers, so around 30-35m.  We are very early in the window, let's see where we are on 8th August.  What we need is quality not quantity.  Another 4/5 on top of Krovinovic will make a massive difference.  I suspect it'll be quite a few more than that.

I have to disagree with your numbers Extra Money coming into the club is as follows 
Parachute payments £35 million
Rondon fee £16.5 million
JRod fee £10 million
Rogers fee £8 million
Dawson fee £5.5 million
That's £75 million - and before you say don't include parachute payments? - we wont when we don't have any.
If Gibbs / Hegazi / Nyom leave as expected that will put another £15 million into the kitty.

The "competitive budget" Jenkins quoted was nothing - not one penny and people wonder! why I don't trust anything 
that comes out of his mouth. I would guess Bilic will get £25 million to spend and £50+ million will be off to China.
We can just but wait and see.

(10-07-2019, 17:26)BaggieMan Wrote: The whole affair is very disheartening when the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, Leicester, Brighton and even the Dasterdly Dingles plus others are now well ahead of us.

Under Uncle Roy we were a force to be reckoned with but when he left to manage England, we then employed two clowns in Pulis and Pardew who strangled the life out of our beloved club leaving us in the doldrums we now find ourselves.

I fear that it will be many seasons before we once again become a Premiership force, if ever we do and we will see the Dingles and Vile competing to be The Pride of the Midlands.  

Makes you feel nauseous doesn’t it.

(09-07-2019, 23:13)Blue Baggie Wrote:

(09-07-2019, 22:46)wba13 Wrote: Blue boy stop being so totally pessimistic, Bilic new what he was coming into ,nobody has left who did not have a release clauses or kids who wanted rich parents.  Do you really think we are going back to the Saunders era well I for one don’t I have every faith all will come good any way if not I have see it all before and we survived . We will end up one of the top sides in the championship .

I love your optimistic outlook, I do post what I think (and it gives me no pleasure) - it's not directed at anyone but the people running our club.
Your faith is unshakable fair play to you    I wish I had something to be positive about tbh.
What do you see that makes you have faith we end up one of the top clubs in the EFL ?

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One thing is becoming more obvious and that's why it took us 3 months to find a new manager. I'm assuming several didn't quite fancy it or the thought of working for D & J  wasn't an attractive option.

(10-07-2019, 07:35)Blue Baggie Wrote: After a reflection, nothing that has happened is not what we expected tbh. Now onto the rebuilding. Bilic to BUY us half a dozen new players. With tenacity please. Field Harper & Edwards to become regular 1st team players. Something we have all wanted. We all want success and we have a chance to create a new young vibrant team COYB

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First match
Johnstone
Bilic Bilic Bartley Townsend
Harper Livermore Field
Filip Edwards
Bilic

Bond - Phillips - Leko - O'Shea - HRK - Burke - Brunt
( Tulloch - Fitzwater - Wilson -  5 loans )
Hegazi, Nyom & Gibbs N/A

(10-07-2019, 21:25)wba13 Wrote:

(09-07-2019, 23:13)Blue Baggie Wrote:

(09-07-2019, 22:46)wba13 Wrote: Blue boy stop being so totally pessimistic, Bilic new what he was coming into ,nobody has left who did not have a release clauses or kids who wanted rich parents.  Do you really think we are going back to the Saunders era well I for one don’t I have every faith all will come good any way if not I have see it all before and we survived . We will end up one of the top sides in the championship .

I love your optimistic outlook, I do post what I think (and it gives me no pleasure) - it's not directed at anyone but the people running our club.
Your faith is unshakable fair play to you    I wish I had something to be positive about tbh.
What do you see that makes you have faith we end up one of the top clubs in the EFL ?

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One thing is becoming more obvious and that's why it took us 3 months to find a new manager. I'm assuming several didn't quite fancy it or the thought of working for D & J  wasn't an attractive option.

The readout took 3 months to find a manager,is I believe 1, the ex Fulham boss Jan whatever his name changed the goal posts he was lined up to take over from Moore but upped his wages  2 Neil was talked about but we had reservations so decided to stick with Shan to save any more disruption. Then at the end of the season  we did the right thing took our time and got in the one they believe will take us forward looked at others including giving wilder,Who said he was interested a few days but in the end we went for me with the outstanding candidate out there for a club in the championship and in Belic we trust . Why some fans love to have a downer on our club I will never know in my 60 years of supporting them only ever been down about our club twice Buckley and Saunders. Hated a few things Nicholson the drugs , Analka and Berahino.  But all in all this is my club and I will follow them no matter what.