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RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - madsteve - 22-03-2015
Blaze of Glory
This was a match that is difficult to sum up.
For 75 minutes we were rubbish, as bad as the Wolves & ipswich matches then we finished in a blaze of glory which gave us an unexpected three points and probably masks how poor we were for most of the match.
I always look for performance over points because with performance, the points will come in the long run. However, it was impossible not to feel lifted by our stirring finish to the game.
The first half was poor with Westwood keeping us in the game with three fantastic saves. Our only effort of note was a McGugan shot from 20 yards, well tipped round the post by Martinez. We set up with what appeared to be a 451 although McGugan played just behind Nuhui in a 4411. Isgrove also got increasingly forward as Nuhui dropped deeper to try to get involved. It didn't help that Isgrove & Helan barely contributed.
Unusually for us we didn't wake up at the beginning of the second half. Rotherham controlled the match and looked the only team likely to score. Lavery was already stripped to come on when Rotherham took the lead. They probably deserved it on the balance of play but there was a massive slice of luck with a deflection leaving Westwood dead.
Lavery replaced Isgrove and we went back to our more usual 442. We still looked lame and there were no clues that this poor game was going to have a sensational finish. SG threw on May & Maguire for Hutchinson & Helan. The introduction of May seemed to spark some urgency into our attack and we switched to 433.
From being boring & embarrassing, there was a feeling that we might get something. Lavery headed us level from McGugan's cross. Before we had finished celebrating, Rotherham were back in front. Sloppy defending and another deflected shot. However, we had stirred and it was now a siege on the Rotherham goal. In the 94th minute, Nuhui headed in McGugan's free kick and in the 98th minute, Lee sidefooted home from May's clever flick.
I loved all three goals. These are the sort of goals that we haven't scored enough of this season - the sort of goals that successful sides score regularly. Lavery's header was simple, easy to knock home but only because his run was excellent to get into that position and McGugan's vision & delivery was spot on. The second goal was pretty much identical to one of Nuhui's goals at Boro way back in August. Again, the header is easy. With a delivery like that, all Nuhui had to do, was get there & get a touch on it. The third goal was mostly down to Lee's determination to get into the box. There was a wave of inevitability about our stoppage time attacking and May's flick epitomised our growing confidence.
I can understand that Steve Evans feels robbed but Rotherham, despite having most of the meaningful possession and attempts for 75 minutes, never played at the intensity we did in the final 15 minutes.
Westwood - 7 - kept us in the game
Vermijl - 6 - one good run
Lees - 6 - generally solid
Dielna - 5 - a bit shaky
Mattock - 6 - kept his side secure
Isgrove - 5 - looked like a lost boy
Lee - 7 - 98th minute hero
Hutchinson - 6 - still reckless
Helan - 5 - added little
McGugan - 8 - only real quality on the pitch
Nuhui - 6 - neatly taken goal
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Lavery - 6 - well taken goal, needs more game time
Maguire - 6 - one good run
May - 7 - sparky, set up winner
Today it feels like the morning after a great night out. That great feeling has gone & the realisation is sinking in that all we had was a glorious moment but little of substance going forward. The match stats suggest we dominated the game but we had 8 of our 15 attempts and 5 of our 6 on target attempts from the 80th minute onwards.
There were a number of plus points - McGugan again, better attacking runs and good substitutions, which all could help us in the future. It is also not the first time we have switched to 433 and improved.
A sparkling finale shouldn't hide that we were poor for 75 minutes but it does show our potential.
We now have two weeks break to allow a few players to get fit. Maybe our success again playing 433 might give SG food for thought as to how we might tackle our remaining matches.
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - Thurnscoe_OWL - 22-03-2015
We all knew on here that we were poor yesterday, in fact I typed out twice that I was calling it a day and we ended up scoring
by the end it sounded as though there was only ever going to be one winner
just wish we'd play like the last 15 mins over the course of 90mins because we would batter teams every weekfrog shit
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - madsteve - 22-03-2015
(22-03-2015, 23:00)Imre varadi Wrote: ms should we sign martinez when we give kirkland streak of piss the boot ?
We could do worse. However, I don't think Arsenal will sell and I doubt they will loan to us again after the way we treated Afobe.
We could go with Wildsmith & Dawson as back up although they probably need another year.
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - Maddix - 23-03-2015
(22-03-2015, 23:20)Imre varadi Wrote: Steve evans will die in about 3 years judging by his voice and his lack of breath !!! typical fried mars bar eating jock !!!!!
what a wanker we play bigger clubs than sheffield wednesaday ? die you **** !!!
What an absalute c unt !! is this man neil warnocks cousin ?
What a wanker Evans is
he's obviously pissed off that we didn't offer him the job when we sacked DJ 
big fat sweaty sock absolute gerbil shit.
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - Owlkev71 - 23-03-2015
Taken from a Rotherham forum, about Evans comment they are playing bigger clubs coming up:
"It was hardly sarcasm, just pure fact. Six out of the remaining fixtures are against bigger clubs than Wednesday. All six have been in the Premier League since Wednesday were last there. What's the problem Owls?"
Rotherham's remaining fixtures:
Birmingham
Brighton
Middlesboro
Fulham
Norwich
Reading
Leeds
Anyone spot the six bigger clubs
They have also been having a go at McGuire for celebrating in front of some of their supporters.
Another comment about our support on Saturday:
1) Wednesday lack of support (they officially had the lowest away attendance this year at NYS)
They only gave us 1200
tickets which we sold out 2) they were the quietest fans to visit NYS this year (so far)
I could only hear our Fans singing, there lot seemed quiet, MS should be able to clarify.
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - Thurnscoe_OWL - 23-03-2015
if we were quiet then there's no surprise really, from what I heard wednesday were wank
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - St Charles Owl - 23-03-2015
Evans is very deliberate in some of the things he says, even if sometimes he appears to be just on a rant!!! From what I have seen on a couple of forums the Rovrum fans are blaming him and his substitutions for the defeat in the first place and are still pissed because he is expected to leave at the end of the season. This sort of comment deflects all the talk away from that!!
You see this debate so many times on forums now, what makes a club "big"?? If its purely money then with the new Sky deal to teams in the prem will all move into the top 50 in the world, or something like that, automatically!! If Bournemouth get promoted this year, then they will be bigger than us on that basis!! Other fans say its history that decides, because we have won the league 4 times it makes us bigger than a team that has only won it three times, and so on. To me thats also flawed, especially in our case as we last won the league in the 1930s, so 80 years ago, hardly seems relevant these days. At the end of the day who cares who is bigger, we beat them on Saturday and we are higher in the league, that is what everything should be about anyway! Let him say what he needs to say to placate his deluded fans, we don't need to get involved or go into meltdown like some forums have!!!
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - Thurnscoe_OWL - 23-03-2015
mixture of everything really charlie; wealth, history, stature, fan base etc
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - St Charles Owl - 23-03-2015
(23-03-2015, 17:46)Thurnscoe_OWL Wrote: mixture of everything really charlie; wealth, history, stature, fan base etc
I agree, but what for instance is fan base?? We have approx 16k season ticket holders and are averaging approx 21,500, that puts us in the top 6 teams in the Championship, but behind just about every team in the Prem, so 26th biggest in reality!! Wealth is another one, if that was used the Blunts would be near the top with their Prince's wealth, as it is Kroenke at Arsenal, Abdulla at Man City and Abramovich at Chealsea are far, far wealthier than the Glazers at Man Utd, so again its a tough one to measure.
You are right though, its is a mixture of things that should be considered, but where we are concerned, most of it is potential as opposed to actual!!! Having said that, since we won the League Cup in 91, how many teams have actually won one of the three main trophies?? I will be back with the answer in a bit!!
RE: Match Thread - Rotherham - madsteve - 23-03-2015
(23-03-2015, 15:40)Owlkev71 Wrote: Taken from a Rotherham forum, about Evans comment they are playing bigger clubs coming up:
"It was hardly sarcasm, just pure fact. Six out of the remaining fixtures are against bigger clubs than Wednesday. All six have been in the Premier League since Wednesday were last there. What's the problem Owls?"
Rotherham's remaining fixtures:
Birmingham
Brighton
Middlesboro
Fulham
Norwich
Reading
Leeds
Anyone spot the six bigger clubs
They have also been having a go at McGuire for celebrating in front of some of their supporters.
Another comment about our support on Saturday:
1) Wednesday lack of support (they officially had the lowest away attendance this year at NYS)
They only gave us 1200
2) they were the quietest fans to visit NYS this year (so far)
I could only hear our Fans singing, there lot seemed quiet, MS should be able to clarify.
It could be that what Evans meant was six tougher matches. It could be that he was deflecting attention away from him.
Think we made a fair bit of noise before kick off but it reduced as we performed badly. Our away singing has reduced this season as our performances have got worse. Obviously from the 85th minute onwards, we went mental and Rotherham went quiet.