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RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - St Charles Owl - 06-08-2018
So has anyone been following the goings on down at S6 tonight?? As you all know I am pretty much a happy clapper on most things, I try to look for the best in situations and hope that the trust we put in people at our club will bear fruit once in a while, but the fan forum tonight has been an absolute horror show by all accounts!!!!
Apparently we are not under an embargo (although I am not sure this exact question was asked!!) but we are working with the EFL to try to sort some things to be able to sign maybe some loan players. But the kicker came a bit later than that, DC stated that if we do not get promoted this season then we will be in real trouble next season, to the point that he is more worried about a points deduction than any fine the EFL could give us!!!!!!!! Holy f....king cow!!!!!! Assumptions are obviously being made but with the window set to close on Thursday it would not surprise anyone if FF, Bannan, Lees and Westwood were sold to simply try to put us in a position where we might not get a points deduction next season!!!
There is no doubt that we are now in trouble, we won't go out of business because DC has the money to prevent that and we can say what we want about P&S/FFP that it prevents a club like ours from spending the money we have because our revenue cannot reach the heights needed until we reach the Prem, but the mismanagement and gung-ho attempt over the last two seasons to get to the promised land is likely to see us relegated after we lose our best players and have to play the kids!!! DC must take the bulk of the responsibility for this, but I put the blame at others feet as well as his - those advising him, Doyen Sports and Carlos in particular. We got lucky in the first season to get to Wembley after hitting form at the right time, that was our chance!! We followed this up with a near miss that should have seen us at least get back to Wembley but because of the poor expensive signings that Carlos requested and DC approved, we missed out again and then the wheels came off last season with injuries no one could have predicted and Carlos floundering with no plan B.
We have spent two years chasing the dream, had one bad season for a variety of reasons and can now expect to take a slump as a club in order to reboot and go again, relegation will likely be avoided by luck rather than skill and then the shit will truly hit the fan next season anyway!!! Unbelievable Jeff!!!!
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Washington - 07-08-2018
(06-08-2018, 23:52)St Charles Owl Wrote: So has anyone been following the goings on down at S6 tonight?? As you all know I am pretty much a happy clapper on most things, I try to look for the best in situations and hope that the trust we put in people at our club will bear fruit once in a while, but the fan forum tonight has been an absolute horror show by all accounts!!!!
Apparently we are not under an embargo (although I am not sure this exact question was asked!!) but we are working with the EFL to try to sort some things to be able to sign maybe some loan players. But the kicker came a bit later than that, DC stated that if we do not get promoted this season then we will be in real trouble next season, to the point that he is more worried about a points deduction than any fine the EFL could give us!!!!!!!! Holy f....king cow!!!!!! Assumptions are obviously being made but with the window set to close on Thursday it would not surprise anyone if FF, Bannan, Lees and Westwood were sold to simply try to put us in a position where we might not get a points deduction next season!!!
There is no doubt that we are now in trouble, we won't go out of business because DC has the money to prevent that and we can say what we want about P&S/FFP that it prevents a club like ours from spending the money we have because our revenue cannot reach the heights needed until we reach the Prem, but the mismanagement and gung-ho attempt over the last two seasons to get to the promised land is likely to see us relegated after we lose our best players and have to play the kids!!! DC must take the bulk of the responsibility for this, but I put the blame at others feet as well as his - those advising him, Doyen Sports and Carlos in particular. We got lucky in the first season to get to Wembley after hitting form at the right time, that was our chance!! We followed this up with a near miss that should have seen us at least get back to Wembley but because of the poor expensive signings that Carlos requested and DC approved, we missed out again and then the wheels came off last season with injuries no one could have predicted and Carlos floundering with no plan B.
We have spent two years chasing the dream, had one bad season for a variety of reasons and can now expect to take a slump as a club in order to reboot and go again, relegation will likely be avoided by luck rather than skill and then the shit will truly hit the fan next season anyway!!! Unbelievable Jeff!!!!
We obviously had/have a Manafort type accountant. Budgets and forecasting should have seen this looming and no-one can guarantee promotion so failure is an option that should have definitely been considered. I have to take the postings on OT about the evenings events with some filtering but the Star will be as equally bad with Doom corresponding. What is the most bizarre is the timing of DC holding this event. At least wait until the transfer window has closed.
I still believe he has good intent but is just inept and has bad advice when trying to implement it.
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Imre varadi - 07-08-2018
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/abusive-sheffield-wednesday-fans-make-my-family-feel-scared-chairman-chansiri-tells-fans-forum-1-9288013 PLEASE xxxx OFF ! typical Thai ...out you xxxx !
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - St Charles Owl - 07-08-2018
Copied this off a post by TrickyTev on Owlstalk who attended the meeting tonight, sorry for the plagiarism but its the only way we can get an accurate summary of what was discussed. Owlstalk of course is in full meltdown as it always is and a lot of the posts on there are both ignorant and completely wrong in what they interpret DC actually said:
I’ve just got home, I left at 11pm as working in the morning and when a fan started lecturing the chairman of how he’d been going for 64 years as opposed to Dejphon Chansiri’s 4, I took that as my prompt to leave.
Here’s my write up for what it’s worth, I’ve not read Owlstalk tonight so may have all been covered and apologies if there are some inaccuracies here but I’m going on a few notes I made and it was difficult to follow at times due to some fans shouting out questions without the microphone and Mr Chansiri’s limited English so some things were lost in translation.
He spoke at length about fans not trusting him, said he was confronted by a fan at Wigan, his family have asked why does he stay involved if fans don’t trust him and treat him this way.
He asked fans not to believe everything they read on social media. Has lost a lot of money at the club.
He often wonders why does he carry on losing money when gets insulted, often on social media.
Says if fans want to slate him on social media it’s better to come to the forum and speak face to face.
His family do not feel safe at the club, insults etc. Says his country has been insulted by some fans. If fans want him to leave, tell him and he’ll go.
He won’t accept the insults aimed at his family. If we want him to go he’ll go and we can find someone who’ll come in and do better.
Hillsborough is in his blood, it’s his second home.
Critical of fans behaviour at Wigan towards the team after just 1 game, the players need support.
He said he never does everything correct, He never does everything wrong.
Appeals for the fans to support the club, support the team.
A guy starts heckling Chansiri about prices, says United have better players, Chansiri doesn’t agree and jokes if you think United have better players than us you don’t know football. Round of applause from the audience.
We pay high prices for good players. The academy has been invested in since he’s got here. He’s spent a lot of money in the academy and he wants to use these players.
We have to be balanced with regards to high price and realistic. He looks at value. In the past we could pay low prices under Milan but he thought that was expensive as the players were poor. He believes the squad now is better than last 15 years. The ticket profit barely touched the players, even under Milan we lost 6/7m, this was with players who aren’t as good as the ones we have now.
He says he can do lower prices but the players won’t be as good like before.
The shirt, before he came shirts were £40, his first year £50, but we have Fernando and others unlike the players we had before. Why weren’t shirts thought of as expensive at £40 when before our players weren’t as good and he only increased them by £10 but we saw a greatly improved playing squad.
If fans want cheap tickets & shirts he can spend less.
He tries to do the best for the club, for the fans but if fans want cheaper tickets he can go back to the type of recruitment we had before he came here.
Wanted to do forum live today but wasn’t able to do so.
Spoke to Jos before Wigan. Jos said team were ready, confident. DC joked we couldn’t lose as we had a meeting today.
He was disappointed, hasn’t spoke to Jos yet but Jos will speak to the players today hard. Thinks we had the better side but they wanted it more, we made too many mistakes & they have momentum like United last season. We had a bad day but he believes we have a good team.
His team, advisors, he still uses the same one he used in the first season apart from the coach. It hasn’t changed. Roeder & the committee didn’t do anything re recruitment.
First year Carlos knew nothing about English football so advisors provided options. Second year 100% Carlos signing players.
Membership prices. He is trying his best for the club some fans want to spend less but he stressed fans are not customers, he has asked fans to support the club. We have a campaign for fans who can’t afford tickets to come to the club. In his first year less then 10 took him up on it, second year there were none.
He asks those who can afford to support the club, those who can’t to contact the club and use this campaign. Those who can’t afford can contact Alistair.
We have sold less membership as we had this time last year. Straight away you save £29 with the £10 ticket offer so it only costs £60.
He thinks the benefits you get from the membership are more than last year, more value.
Plenty of fans trying to shout out over membership, can’t hear what everyone’s saying as nobody has a microphone.
Compromise suggested a 2 tier membership. £50 with 2 £5 match discounts. The fans suggested this and Chansiri accepted this and said we would do this so fans could have cheaper membership. Then more fans started to ask for more discounted games and I’m not sure it’ll now go ahead after all.
I think a few fans shot themselves in the foot with that one. We’d agreed a compromise and then other fans started asking for more.
He said when we tried to reduce prices in the past only 1k more came for example. Fans ask for lower prices saying 10k extra will come but it doesn’t bring great numbers through the door.
It hurts him when fans say he’s greedy, the money from fans helps a little but the majority comes from him.
Costs are going up every year, it’s doubling. The tickets still don’t even pay the back room staff. He can’t give premier league ticket prices, they have far far more income.
Constantly stressed when he says fans he doesn’t mean all the fans.
He gets no money from the club, he gets no profit, he could stay in Thailand and make a profit have a better life with his family but he wants to try to do his best for the club.
Possibility of a women’s team raised? His priority is for this club first, he’s happy to do it but first this is his priority. It’s something he expects to do in the future. Katrina takes over, says it’ll take time, it’s something we will look at in the future. It is on the agenda.
Communications officer:
BBC deal. Not a decision taken lightly, swfc exposure is currently at its highest in years, we wanted a 10% increase, bbc offered a 10% decrease. No agreement so we offered to keep the same deal as last year but bbc refused. We won’t role over for the bbc, if you ask for a 10% deduction on your licence fee see how far you get. He accepts it’s not a popular decision but it’s hard and only 1 club in the football league performs better than swfc digitally, we want to be top.
Chansiri: this isn’t about profit. One club got £8k in the championship from the bbc, they got relegated and got 1k from bbc, then after promotion again they got promoted £2k from the bbc. 62 clubs agreed, many had to go with the deal because they couldn’t go by themselves, he believes other clubs will follow as otherwise bbc will do this again and again.
He can’t please everyone 100%, he’s trying to improve the club.
Plenty of people shouting out at this point, making the same points over and over, very difficult to follow.
He always said if we don’t go up we’ll have problems. He’s trying his best.
I won’t go into the FFP discussion as he asked not to be reported outside the meeting due to potential ramifications with the EFL.
A question over shirt sizes. Specialist sizes we can’t do enmase but for special requirements you can speak to Alistair to order in.
Someone suggests we “let Fernando go”, Chansiri shakes head. His decisions will be for the best of the club.
Doesn’t know if we are likely to sell anyone before Thursday. Whatever we do we’ll be trying to do our best for the club.
We can’t offer a free pass for Wednesday player, they think it’s a great idea but it’s governed by EFL, would need to be okd by them.
DC said if someone has problems listening to radio to contact the club and we will see what we do.
Local businesses won’t put the same money in that he is with D Taxis and Elev8.
Weekend season tickets. Looking to try to issue 1 at Half season tickets. 6 matches I think. May have misheard this one though.
He says if he wanted to make money, make a profit I could have sold the club and gone back to Thailand. I have taken no money out of the club.
Wants fans to trust him. Very passionate about that.
Asked about ST’s next season. Unable to make guarantees ahead of next year at this moment with regards to multiple year ST’s.
Plan is to do his best, with the squad, with what we have.
We need either more revenue with help from fans. Our main revenue is tickets. He needs support from fans.
Speaking of sponsorship it’s difficult to get international sponsorship, local sponsorship doesn’t pay enough. That’s why he’s had to put Chansiri on the seats, he didn’t want to but it was the only way he could get that income into the club.
He is trying to talk to international sponsors but it’s very difficult, they have a perception of football outside the Premier League.
Last season we made £9m in ticketing but we spent more. We lost £20m but spent A lot more.
We lost around £1m when we first introduced 3 year season tickets.
With regards to revenue from these the money comes in but the revenue has to be phased over the term of the ticket.
Says Jos was made fully aware of the situation at the club when he took the job with regards to injuries & potential embargo. Promotion record is outstanding, he cost more than Carlos. Jos wants to break his promotion record in England.
He cannot accept criticism of Carlos after he left, why not do it when he was here? Spoke to players about it.
He says fans need to support the players. When the players are struggling that’s when they really need the fans. They are human beings after-all.
That’s about it from me, as I say haven’t mentioned any of the FFP stuff as he asked fans not too due to possible ramifications with the EFL.
Tried my best but I know a lot was lost in translation with the questions and answers and it got a bit heated occasionally with fans shouting out do a bit difficult to follow at times.
Cheers.
(07-08-2018, 01:41)Imre varadi Wrote: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/abusive-sheffield-wednesday-fans-make-my-family-feel-scared-chairman-chansiri-tells-fans-forum-1-9288013 PLEASE **** OFF ! typical Thai ...out you **** !
To be fair Imre he is right, why should his family get abuse from stupid Wednesday fans?? None of us would accept that with our kids and wives, why should he?? By all means criticize him directly but not his family!!
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Imre varadi - 07-08-2018
you cant eat that shit after mistake and mistake and mistake it doesnt wash with me he is inept and would have been sacked if he wasnt the owner ! all Thais have big balls when they start a fight and after youve shuved them round in the mud they start to get all sissy ! thats what we have now a xxxx sissy of a chairman ffs ! someone should go and put the xxxx a skirt on ! wanker !
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Imre varadi - 07-08-2018
a positive ... Hull are more dogshite than us !
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Daffodils on the piano - 07-08-2018
Basically then we are up shit creek,which is bottomless, without a paddle and by next season we'll not even have a boat.
It's all fun being a Wednesday fan.
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Owlkev71 - 07-08-2018
Boro 3-0 Blades latest.
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - St Charles Owl - 07-08-2018
So far so good for the Blunts!!!
RE: Thread to talk about football and wednesday in general - Imre varadi - 07-08-2018
charlie who has abused his family ? and if thats the case why are they subject to abuse ? i mean surley they dont shop at tescos ? and if social media hurts the poor little rich kids or him why is he on it ffs ?
its bullshit he needs to grow a pair and say yes ive fucked up and make it better ! but all he does is more xxxx up ffs ! hes like the worst aprentice in the world !
well done pigs you are giving us hope ! and i actaully think we will muller dull on saturday and most teams that come to our home ! but we will also lose to brentford 7-0 etc if he plays the shit he did against wigan !
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45098384 hes also a liar !
hes a feffing clown the sooner he sells up the better !
That table is cheering me up somewhat though .. scrubbers at the foot !