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RE: David Brooks - Dancingwilldoit - 04-05-2017
The point is that we have given several of our own youngsters contracts. If we have no intention of playing them then why offer them contracts? It must be soul destroying to be offered a pro contract then watch a steady stream of other teams players be selected ahead of you.
I have said all along get our own youngsters in, give them a chance to prove themselves. Mix that young blood with a few seasoned pro's and we might just hold our own next season.
Blue, the loanees were poor and that's all of them. Whether that's down to them or our manager remains to be seen.
RE: David Brooks - Devongone - 04-05-2017
We always knew we wouldn't be buying players - despite selling Ched. Maybe we should sign Adam Smith, goalie released by Northampton, we've a vacancy for a sex offender ...........
I don't want to pour a stream of cold water all over Brooks BUT how good is a 19 year-old Sheff Utd don't consider capable of challenging for a place in a Championship side likely to be? Especially considering they just paid us £500,000 for a striker who wasn't a success for us last season.
Matt's idea of bringing back Armand is nearly on the mark. We'll need someone big and who'll come free. He was a player of potential but he has now failed to make an impression at several clubs. But to me that kind of player would be more important than another of GC's bad loans, though I agree with Pooch that a season-loan does give a youngster time to settle in & show what he can do. GC's loan batch were rushed into the team at two day's notice and buried in failure. They got into the team but were given a dog's chance of success.
I was amazed Donohue was Players' Player of the Seaon, maybe I need to reassess him. I've always thought Zaine Francis-Angol from Kidderminster should be a league LB. He was a Spurs youngster, played a lot of games for Motherwell and if GC wants to play wing backs he'd be ideal. Northampton also released a player Emmanuel Sonupe (is that right?) who was loaned to Kiddy. He's 20, was at Spurs playing alongside Harry Winks. At U-18 level he was an England international. How far can anyone regress in such a short time? Wouldn't rescuing a player like that make more sense as, if he develops, he'll belong to us rather than paying for the use of an untried youngster a local team wants to bring on without putting him in their own first team ........
When Sheff Utd signed Che Adams they quickly jumped him from Ilkeston to their own first team. Clearly they think David Brooks is behind the point a boy playing for Ilkeston was at when they signed him. My reasoning is that we should therefore be looking at the Ilkestons for signings. BUT I do think keeping a close eye on local clubs further up the food chain is also a good idea. We have so many bigger, better clubs near us and we all too rarely pick up their juicy discards. But Gboly and Dimaio worked ...... It is a huge advantage for us over a club like Plymouth who'd have to go to Bristol (who aren't all that in any case!)
If we'd announced we'd taken David Hirst's lad from Wednesday to play on loan for us up front with Ricky German I'd be excited for the new season. This one seems like another marker on the two-year road to play Guiseley to me. Hope I'm wrong.
RE: David Brooks - St Charles Owl - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 12:10)Devongone Wrote: If we'd announced we'd taken David Hirst's lad from Wednesday to play on loan for us up front with Ricky German I'd be excited for the new season. This one seems like another marker on the two-year road to play Guiseley to me. Hope I'm wrong.
George Hirst is only one of a decent crop of youngsters we have coming through, they won the U23 league they are in this season, and if we are successful in the playoffs then I do not see any chance of any of them getting to the first team - aside from maybe George, so I am sure we will be open to loan deals for some of them to gain some valuable experience. Hirst though I think will be off the table as regards loans!!
Of course bearing in mind your Chairman's history with our club I am not sure there are many conversations taking place between our clubs!!
RE: David Brooks - Devongone - 04-05-2017
St Charles!
Our Chairman isn't our chairman.
He has nothing to do with the club.
Except he owns it. And all the important decisions are referred to him for approval. And all Chesterfield fans have to applaud the daily test firing of missiles in the direction of Mansfield. And we all have to gather in Market Square to hear his weekly tirades against the imperialist running dogs in charge of Sheffield Wednesday.
If I were Wednesday I wouldn't let George Hirst spend a season at the Proact - doesn't stop me dreaming that better deals could be done a few miles from Bramall Lane. But then I'd like us to win a few matches and avoid an appearance on Vanarama.
RE: David Brooks - bluepooch - 04-05-2017
Dancing ,if we give a youngster a contract then surely that means we value him as a member of the squad and just because we dont play him now doesn't mean they wont be figuring at some stage in the future ,you need to be a bit more patient .Just like I am with Caldwell.
Thats the problem with football nowadays ,and life as well ,everyone wants everything now .
RE: David Brooks - Dancingwilldoit - 04-05-2017
Blue I believe GC was a bad appointment, I know you don't think so and you believe he will take us to the promised land but exactly where is that, Lge 1 or Vanarama? He has done nothing to inspire me with any confidence and I think he has had more than enough time.
You say give him 10 games next season. How many points would you expect in those 10 games before you throw the towel in, 30, 25, 20, 15? You say you don't very often get things wrong but I can remember many an occasion when your ar5e should have been trotting up your street with failed premonitions in the past.
RE: David Brooks - spireitematt - 04-05-2017
10 games isn't enough time. Give him till Xmas and see what happens.
RE: David Brooks - Devongone - 05-05-2017
Oh please, someone offer him a job, preferably north of the Faroes ....
RE: David Brooks - Devongone - 05-05-2017
By the way, did St Charles Owl's post disturb anyone when he said........
"decent crop of youngsters we have coming through, they won the U23 league they are in this season, and if we are successful in the playoffs then I do not see any chance of any of them getting to the first team"
In a a ridiculously short career for players, big clubs do operate at U-23 level. Despite Wednesday's success at this level St Charles thinks few of the team can reach the first team now and promotion would actually be a career-negative for all but one (and he's probably the youngest in the side!) Yet when players reach 30 we worry they may be over the hill. I'm wondering at what point you're actually meant to fit in a career, if at 22 you won't make the first team and by 30 you're done .........
When Ajax played Schalke the other week in the Europa they had 8 players of 21 or under. At Ajax you get first team experience when it looks as though you'd handle it. Players aren't simply stuck in some pecking order behind older heads.
My solution would be not to loan out these players willy-nilly as at present, but to offer them as free-transfers, so long as the club they go to adds a clause into the player's contract that after one season the original club only has the option of buying him back for £250,000. So if a borderline player who has been let-go makes a huge leap forward he has a chance back at the big-time and his original club needn't fear making a huge error. Both smaller club and bigger club profit. Why do this? To promote the movement of players and allow them to get real experience and feel part of the new club they sign for. Otherwise you get the ridiculous situation of a Tom Anderson eternally hoping to get a first-team berth at Burnley, but always out on loan. Careers are short enough without spending years waiting for them to start. Look how much quicker Dele Alli developed in MKD's first team than the other young players at Spurs who are left trying to snatch a spot in a very good first team.
And look at Wednesday. Their lads won their U-23 league. The club has to make a decision. Do they keep these players hanging on in the hope they DO make the first team, or do they kick a smiling league winner in the teeth, "you're a free agent, join the scramble!" Or do they make it worse, loan the lad out for a season, dangle a career that never seems to start and then kick him in the teeth if he gets marooned in GC's three-at-the-back repeat relegation bid?
RE: David Brooks - St Charles Owl - 05-05-2017
To be fair the bulk of the youngsters I was referring to are nearly all under 20 years old, but are playing for our U23 side. We have also been playing some players over 23 in that team as well but 7/8 of them are 17-19 years old. I think if we were to stay in the championship for a couple more seasons we could see 2 or 3 of them breaking into the first team, but if we go up then most will have no chance!! At that point if we still think they may have what it takes then loans out to L1/L2 (or even the Championship if we are in the Prem) is probably the route they will take.