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RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - Devongone - 13-03-2017
Why oh why on Tuesday night don't we do something like play German and Simons up front - two strong young lads who should be keen to show? Peterborough have a good big centre back in Tafazolli (who we should have grabbed when he was at Mansfield) so if they can cause him any problems it'll be the green shoots of promise.
We have hardly given Simons a start. He might not be up to it, but unless we give him a run of two or three games at least and watch his confidence grow or the opposite, how will we ever know? Matt is quite right about where we will be recruiting next year's team, but if you look at those playing in non-league who are grabbing the interest of league clubs you mostly find they are actually FAILED LEAGUE PLAYERS. They followed much the same pattern as Rai Simons, got a few sub appearances, a scatter of starts months apart and after a year or two at most they've been released. Then suddenly to everyone's amazement they are getting 25 goals at Welling United or somewhere and it's who'd have thought it?
This is our chance to give these players their chance. We released Chapman without ever giving him a league game ..... and now we've played rush-goalies for a season. Let's build and to do it we need to know about the building blocks we are using - let's find out about our players. So in behind German and Simons let's play Dennis and see if and when they can disrupt the opposition he can grab a goal or two (or at least a shot or 4). Let's play Mitchell to run at the opposition without fear of failure because now we can't fail - we already have.
Derby just sacked Steve McClaren for winning one in his last ten, what's Mr Caldwell's record? Yet both Matt and I think he should be given a proper chance next season IF he actually wants it. But the here and now he talks about is relegation and what we do with it.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - bluepooch - 13-03-2017
You all need to see the bigger picture here ,we all know what Caldwells record here is crap but my point is that we could have a gem of a manager on our hands in a years time if he is allowed to implement his philosophy .You lot were patient with Wilson when I believe he should have gone in October when it was obvious after 10 months in the job we were no better,our season could have been saved if that had happened.
The jury is out on Caldwell but my argument is he should be given time as you did with Wilson.He is 34 years old incredibly young for a manager and must be still learning.
He admits himself its a long job to get it right but also acknowledges we need to see some improvement short term .I go along with that but if we get hammered by 3 or more tomorrow night patience will be wearing thin at the top.
As I type ,Wigan have sacked Warren Joyce so maybe they will regret sacking Caldwell now.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - Dancingwilldoit - 13-03-2017
Blue, there is no bigger picture. We cant afford to have a manager who is still learning his trade next season. He has had 10 games to implement his so called philosophy and failed miserably. That must tell even you something. Next season we need to hit the ground running it really will be do or die. We need a team of players who know each other and we know all their good and bad points and play to our strengths.
On Tuesday night there shouldn't be a single loanee in our line up or anybody else that we intend not renewing their contract at the end of the season. If we get spanked 10-0 then so be it but we need to find out now what our youngsters are capable of and not game 1 next season. If he does what I suggest then I will go to the remaining home games and cheer on and support my team and not a load of useless mercenaries who don't deserve to be wearing my teams shirt.
Re Wigan, I really would love to think that they made a mistake and ask him to go back - some bloody chance of that.
Just read Reece Brown has gone back to Birmingham. 1 down 8 to go.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - Devongone - 13-03-2017
I'm sorry but if Mr Caldwell's philosophy involves playing other clubs' players instead of his own then it is going to be an enormously expensive one for a club with nothing.
When we sent O'Shea to Sheffield for the rest of the season I was envisaging us using that contract to bring in a player capable of sparking our team into life. I thought it was a good thing as Jay is anything but a 100% die-on-his shield player. But it has substantially weakened our team because at least every four or five games we carried a threat. Now we've been disarmed.
Patience should already be wearing thin towards any top we have (though I fear it is more the lava bubbling below we should look at than the apparent top, or the real top located round Mr Allen's house). If on Tuesday night Simons and German trotted out up front, Maguire in defence, and perhaps a couple of younger pro's on the bench ........... surely our crowd would get behind them - will them to succeed? We all want OUR boys to do good don't we? If we got hammered everyone would put up with that, perhaps even our tattered little board too.
What patience did we exercise with Danny? He saved us last season, as reward for that this season he was allowed what resources? We gambled on a man who hadn't played football for more than three years, and another who hadn't scored a league goal. To back these up he got a centre forward he didn't fancy with a ridiculous continuing contract. Amidst an absolute mass of injuries he tried to build a midfield and defence. And when his goalie went we didn't go out and get him one, he had to find some Scottish kid .......... For some of the injuries I blame Danny because he believed in Morgan and the decisions made regarding our keeper getting injured and replacing him revealed even professionals have no idea the influence keepers have. But giving Danny just over a year is patience?
The danger for Mr Caldwell is he will have shortly expended everyone's patience by taking a series of wrong turns and trying to suggest he is leading us to where we want to go. Hansel and Gretel were better off following the breadcrumbs; at least the witch was fattening them up before she ate them.
His choice is continue down loanee road imposing a style of play which has brought us a total of 13 efforts on goal in our last three games, OR start down the road he is paying lip-service to, the road into the future. He is letting our world and his own end with a whimper ....... why can't we go out with a bang? Next season we start again and if we are lucky Mansfield won't have gone up!
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - spireitematt - 13-03-2017
(13-03-2017, 14:34)bluepooch Wrote: You all need to see the bigger picture here ,we all know what Caldwells record here is crap but my point is that we could have a gem of a manager on our hands in a years time if he is allowed to implement his philosophy .You lot were patient with Wilson when I believe he should have gone in October when it was obvious after 10 months in the job we were no better,our season could have been saved if that had happened.
The jury is out on Caldwell but my argument is he should be given time as you did with Wilson.He is 34 years old incredibly young for a manager and must be still learning.
He admits himself its a long job to get it right but also acknowledges we need to see some improvement short term .I go along with that but if we get hammered by 3 or more tomorrow night patience will be wearing thin at the top.
As I type ,Wigan have sacked Warren Joyce so maybe they will regret sacking Caldwell now.
What philosophy? Batten down the hatches and doors and hope we can grind out results 1-0 every week? Cook had a philosophy, Sheridan had a philosophy. We were patient with Wilson because he did the best he could with the resources he had. Caldwell has managed 10 games and we've only won 1 and even that was a fluke.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - bluepooch - 13-03-2017
It makes me laugh when people talk about how much resources each manager had ,can anyone put a figure to all this resources talk ?,I do know they backed Dean Saunders with the biggest budget the club has ever had but since then It has been gradually reduced but Ive no idea by how much ,What I can fairly safely assume is that the current squad since the January transfer window is the smallest budget since Dave Allen arrived.This is what Caldwell is working with but he isn't making any excuses he is just trying to get on with the job.
As for his sacking at Wigan ,lots of fans were saying it was the wrong decision .
Wilson had enough time to improve us and he didnt ,so all I am saying is Caldwell should be given enough time to form his own team .Both Cook and Shez's teams were transformed after their first summer transfer window,people were booing Shez at times during our last season at Saltergate and he was given a summer transfer window and he turned us into a very good team albeit with a decent budget for league Two.Caldwell should be given the same chance as long as we don't get embarrassed during the run in .
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - Dancingwilldoit - 13-03-2017
Blue, you said yourself nobody knows any of the budgets and that includes Saunders. Whatever Caldwells budget is it doesn't matter. His tactics and team selection are just woeful. He brings in loanees with what little money he has and then ditches most of them because they are rubbish - that's wasted budget and its his fault. He then keeps playing the remainder as if trying to justify himself even though they stink. He plays a defensive set up even though we ship goals for fun.
It doesn't matter what kind of positive spin you try and put on it, 1 win in 10 is just hopeless. Not 1 of our previous managers ever has had such a poor return on their first 10 games. Caldwells tactics make John Duncan look like an attack minded genius.
When your budget is tight you should pick your team and formation on what you have available and your players best attributes. You don't pick a formation you like and then try to put your players in unfamiliar roles to suit it then persist with it even when you know its not working.
I employ engineers, I don't give them clerical work to do and I don't expect an accountant to go out on site to do some welding. Its not that they cant do it, its simply called putting round pegs in round holes. It might seem surprising but it usually works. If Caldwell ever wakes up from the dream world he seems to be in and sees the light, we might just see some common sense decisions for once.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - bluepooch - 14-03-2017
Not sure if one of your points is correct there Dancing,didnt Roy Mac fail to win in his first 15 games or something like that ? Check that one out Matt.
I'm also fairly confident Caldwell wont lose the last 9 league games in a row ,a record Wilson unfortunately holds.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - spireitematt - 14-03-2017
(14-03-2017, 00:28)bluepooch Wrote: Not sure if one of your points is correct there Dancing,didnt Roy Mac fail to win in his first 15 games or something like that ? Check that one out Matt.
I'm also fairly confident Caldwell wont lose the last 9 league games in a row ,a record Wilson unfortunately holds.
Yeah just looked took him 15 games to win his first match. 2-1 against Macclesfield in the Football League Trophy and then 4 days later won 3-0 at home in the league against Swindon.
You say you are fairly confident Caldwell won't lose the last 9 leagues games in a row but we won't win them either.
RE: Goal Fest at the Proact - bluepooch - 14-03-2017
So how many wins out of the last 9 games would you guys be happy with for you to agree with Caldwell staying on ?.Id go with 3 considering our current squad.