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RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - hibeejim21 - 09-09-2019
Thought Boris looked like he had been on the white stuff earlier today in Dublin.
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - 0762 - 10-09-2019
Good to see someone else spotting the hypocrisy on the steps of that Dublin govt building!! Absolutely bizarre! A statesman in the making eh!! Now that is a laugh, an insult to the British public! Corbyn even looks impressive compared with this Tory clown/PM (in disguise!).
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - ritchiebaby - 25-09-2019
It continues to look like absolutely nothing is happening regarding the Brexit conundrum and that the opponents of No Deal are being pulled hither and thither over what to do next. Their main plan would seem to be to force Boris into writing a letter to the EU requesting a further extension to Article 50. Now that's all very well, but the EU are under no obligation to grant an extension and, theoretically at least, could refuse it. That could lead to a No Deal Brexit, the very thing the Remainers claim to be desperate to avoid.
Also remember that Donald Tusk, not my favourite person but he apparently doesn't think much of me, warned the UK not to waste the time the EU granted us the last time. It's patently obvious that we have been wasting the time, as we're no further forward than we were at the end of March.
I despair of all politicians, both Brexiteers and Remainers - the Brexiteers for not taking charge of the negotiations in a positive manner right from the very start and the Remainers who are desperate to thwart the "will of the people" both in the Referendum and at the 2017 General Election where the vast majority of them were elected on the platform of delivering Brexit.
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - 0762 - 25-09-2019
Can you please stop referring to the "will of the people"!!!!
For starters, coming from Scotland, it was not the will of the Scottish people and that opinion has hardened in Scotland and risen to a much higher opinion than the 62% remain vote in 2016. The same "shift" of opinion applies to Wales plus English opinion has shifted too but not as significant as elsewhere. NI also voted to remain and is badly represented by a group of toxic DUP politicians!!!!!! What does this actually tell us re this irritating "will of the people" rhetorical comment that has been used for a long time and is extremely "tiresome" - like listening to a "stuck record" and listening to it for years on radio, tv etc etc etc etc etc!!! I tells us that it was attached to an opinion poll/a referendum that was deemed legitimate under the usual shit, inadequate "first past the post" electoral system and in this case there was never even a proper prospectus to guide voters on the ground rules re the "con" that was Brexit!!!!!!!! That is why we are where we are and one can use every kinda rhetorical device in the book but that won't change it one jot!!
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - ritchiebaby - 25-09-2019
0762, don't bother getting uppity about me using the term "will of the people". You have used the term yourself in your posts, so to criticise me for doing it smacks of hypocrisy.
Anyway, whether you like it or not, the EU referendum was for the whole of the UK, not just certain parts of it. And whether you like it or not, the first past the post system is the one in operation, so we have to accept it.
Whatever terms you and I might choose to use, my basic points in the last sentence remain.
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - hibeejim21 - 25-09-2019
We need an election, but 'no deal' has to be made impossible first. Why ? Because no one voted for it.
From the off we both knew that was the tories intention and that the negotiations were a sham. I mean that drunken idiot Davis gave the game away several times, No the EU divised the withdrawal agreement and hoped cruella could get it through parliament.
We are in a very dangerous spot at the moment, as Blackford pointed out earlier the SNP and greens would be willing to help corbyn form an interim government that could try and 'break the logjam'.
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - 0762 - 25-09-2019
(25-09-2019, 16:07)ritchiebaby Wrote: 0762, don't bother getting uppity about me using the term "will of the people". You have used the term yourself in your posts, so to criticise me for doing it smacks of hypocrisy.
Anyway, whether you like it or not, the EU referendum was for the whole of the UK, not just certain parts of it. And whether you like it or not, the first past the post system is the one in operation, so we have to accept it.
Whatever terms you and I might choose to use, my basic points in the last sentence remain.
Have I really used that "will of the people" irritating rhetorical line that applies to a split vote on a referendum!!???? I hate that line, it is a form of brainwashing deliberately used for years by lotsa Brexit backers and, NOT BEING UPPITY ABOUT IT, it is "tiresome" and I would never use it to cover such a split vote anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show me a thread where I've used this line in that context!!??? If I was to use this rhetorical line to make a point, I'd use it only in a unanimous scenario!! WE HAVE TO ACCEPT A SHIT FPTP SYSTEM??? Why????? Why wasn't there a properly presented prospectus on a very complex issue as we have discovered down the years?????? That system is flawed and you f###### well know it is without me ramming that fact down your throat - you are not that daft!! There are books written by well qualified authors about the misuse and advantages gained by certain parties using a FPTP system - visit a book shop like Watermans and buy one of them and enlighten yourself re this outdated system!! As for the "lets dismiss Scotland because we are a region" line - well we live in a sovereign country and read how most Scots view that kinda shit being uttered against what is now a huge Scottish opinion to remain in the EU, much greater than in 2016 and contrary to what you clearly want!! Lastly I have no issue re your end line Ritchie!! The country is polarised and Scotland must somehow remove itself from this "poison" and get away from this insanity. Like many pro indy Scots, I am losing patience although I do think "patience is a virtue" and one must hold firm as Scottish resolve for self-determination is increasing daily - I guess it is all about timing but when???
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - spireitematt - 25-09-2019
(25-09-2019, 16:23)hibeejim21 Wrote: We are in a very dangerous spot at the moment, as Blackford pointed out earlier the SNP and greens would be willing to help corbyn form an interim government that could try and 'break the logjam'.
They would need the 21 'independent Conservative' MPs to vote with Labour/SNP and the Greens.
After Labour voted through their motion today at there last day of conference, I can't see them winning an election. The delegates voted to keep free movement for EU citizens and want to extend it globally to open borders. They want to give migrants the vote even if they don't have citizenship, close down immigration centres and scrap the rule on access to benefits so migrants and immigrants can claim benefits off the system even if they have not paid in or been here that long, they will also get access to the NHS and housing.
They also voted this week to abolish private schools and seize the buildings and put them under public ownership which is hypocrisy seeing as most Labour MPs send there children to private school.
The SNP are more like the opposition than Labour are. At least Ian Blackford can hold Johnson to account where Corbyn can't. Shame Ian Blackford can't become PM as he is the only leader who actually speaks any sense.
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - St Charles Owl - 25-09-2019
(25-09-2019, 23:13)spireitematt Wrote:(25-09-2019, 16:23)hibeejim21 Wrote: We are in a very dangerous spot at the moment, as Blackford pointed out earlier the SNP and greens would be willing to help corbyn form an interim government that could try and 'break the logjam'.
They would need the 21 'independent Conservative' MPs to vote with Labour/SNP and the Greens.
After Labour voted through their motion today at there last day of conference, I can't see them winning an election. The delegates voted to keep free movement for EU citizens and want to extend it globally to open borders. They want to give migrants the vote even if they don't have citizenship, close down immigration centres and scrap the rule on access to benefits so migrants and immigrants can claim benefits off the system even if they have not paid in or been here that long, they will also get access to the NHS and housing.
They also voted this week to abolish private schools and seize the buildings and put them under public ownership which is hypocrisy seeing as most Labour MPs send there children to private school.
The SNP are more like the opposition than Labour are. At least Ian Blackford can hold Johnson to account where Corbyn can't. Shame Ian Blackford can't become PM as he is the only leader who actually speaks any sense.
That list of policies might as well be a suicide note!!!! I don't agree one iota with any of those policies, this is Labour at its most stupid, never thought I would see them return to the dark days of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. This sort of manifesto will just get ripped to shreds by the other parties, and rightly so, and will see the Tories win election after election without having to commit to do anything aside from not doing what Labour have put forward here!!!
RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - 0762 - 26-09-2019
(25-09-2019, 23:13)spireitematt Wrote:(25-09-2019, 16:23)hibeejim21 Wrote: We are in a very dangerous spot at the moment, as Blackford pointed out earlier the SNP and greens would be willing to help corbyn form an interim government that could try and 'break the logjam'.
They would need the 21 'independent Conservative' MPs to vote with Labour/SNP and the Greens.
After Labour voted through their motion today at there last day of conference, I can't see them winning an election. The delegates voted to keep free movement for EU citizens and want to extend it globally to open borders. They want to give migrants the vote even if they don't have citizenship, close down immigration centres and scrap the rule on access to benefits so migrants and immigrants can claim benefits off the system even if they have not paid in or been here that long, they will also get access to the NHS and housing.
They also voted this week to abolish private schools and seize the buildings and put them under public ownership which is hypocrisy seeing as most Labour MPs send there children to private school.
The SNP are more like the opposition than Labour are. At least Ian Blackford can hold Johnson to account where Corbyn can't. Shame Ian Blackford can't become PM as he is the only leader who actually speaks any sense.
Ian Blackford is a good Hibee as well Matt!! A top man!
I must also add that, just like you, Corbyn and the Labour Party have totally bemused me and up here in Scotland Richard Leonard and the inept "out of touch" Scot Labour Party have definitely lost it and will be literally "wiped out" politically even though they have almost got there anyway after the last 12 years of degradation!! But reflecting back to Corbyn and his party, they wanna be "all things to all people" if you get my drift but it does not work that way. He should be leading decisively and choosing a side - in Labour's case, it looks like it should be remain mainly because that is the "mood swing" in England re Brexit even amongst a lotta previous leave voters and the decisive "middle ground" is remain territory. As previously commented, "I'm stumped re this lack of direction and leadership but unsurprised as it has gone on for that long with no significant change"!!! Is it deliberately ambiguous??? I'm not sure any more!! I'd say sit still and let the Tories move from crisis to crisis and eventually implode!! Also watch Johnson's disgraceful narrative on his return to parliament tonight - worth watching because this was real poisonous stuff being uttered by a moron who is guising as a British PM but using Trump style poisonous narrative to try and separate into a "them and us" political scenario - it is horrible politics that are being played out by desperate RW scumbags and I certainly fear that someone is definitely gonna get hurt, or worse, if they don't tone it down!!