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RE: Thread For Anything But Football - Jacko The Flopsy Piglet - 19-04-2016
Got Vince out at last. Time to go for the throat!
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - Owlkev71 - 19-04-2016
417-8 Hampshire, with only a day to go, looks like a draw sadly.
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - Owlkev71 - 21-04-2016
Ched Evans has won his appeal against his conviction, another trial seems the likely outcome.
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - Maddix - 21-04-2016
(21-04-2016, 11:11)Owlkev71 Wrote: Ched Evans has won his appeal against his conviction, another trial seems the likely outcome.
Get him signed on
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - peiowl - 21-04-2016
(21-04-2016, 12:03)Maddix Wrote:(21-04-2016, 11:11)Owlkev71 Wrote: Ched Evans has won his appeal against his conviction, another trial seems the likely outcome.
Get him signed on
I always felt at the time that it seemed incongruous to declare the other perp innocent while convicting Evans. Though I have to say that I felt both should have been nailed, not both let off.
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - Thurnscoe_OWL - 21-04-2016
Could he be sent down again if found guilty again?
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - St Charles Owl - 21-04-2016
(21-04-2016, 17:47)Thurnscoe_OWL Wrote: Could he be sent down again if found guilty again?
No, he either gets to clear his name or his conviction stands but the charge against him is still the same. McDonald, the other player involved, is not part of this trial and cannot be tried again for it anyway having been found innocent.
I don't want him to win or lose, they obviously have some other evidence that was either held back or not known at the time that throws some doubt onto the conviction, but I want justice to do its thing and then be done with it. All this currently does is cost the taxpayers more money, but if he is innocent then I suppose that is worth spending!!
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - OvalOwl - 22-04-2016
(21-04-2016, 22:51)St Charles Owl Wrote:(21-04-2016, 17:47)Thurnscoe_OWL Wrote: Could he be sent down again if found guilty again?
No, he either gets to clear his name or his conviction stands but the charge against him is still the same. McDonald, the other player involved, is not part of this trial and cannot be tried again for it anyway having been found innocent.
The rule of "double jeopardy" was recently changed (in 2003) so that a person could be tried twice for the same offence for certain serious crimes (including murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, rape, armed robbery, and serious drug crimes) provided there is "fresh and viable" new evidence and the DPP approves and quashes the original acquittal.
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - St Charles Owl - 23-04-2016
The thing is though, with McDonald the girl admitted consent so no real case to offer there anyway.
RE: Thread For Anything But Football - Owlkev71 - 26-04-2016
The 96 Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed due to gross negligence, jury rules.
Their answers to the following questions:
:: Question 1: Basic Facts of the Disaster
Do you agree with the following statement: Ninety-six people died as a result of the disaster at Hillsborough Stadium on 15 April, 1989, due to crushing in the central pens of the Leppings Lane terrace, following the admission of a large number of supporters to the stadium through exit gates.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 2: Police Planning for the Semi-Final Match
Was there any error or omission in police planning and preparation for the semi-final match on 15 April, 1989, which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed on the day of the match?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether there could and should have been some different distribution of the supporters of the two teams within the stadium, or some different turnstile arrangement, in order to increase the number of turnstiles available for Liverpool supporters.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 3: Policing of the Match and the Situation at the Turnstiles
Was there any error or omission in policing on the day of the match which caused or contributed to a dangerous situation developing at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether senior officers could and should have done more to identify the risk of a dangerous build-up of supporters at the turnstiles.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 4: Policing of the Match and the Crush on the Terrace
Was there any error or omission by commanding officers which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether in the period before the start of the match, it was or should have been obvious to those in the police control box that the central pens of the west terrace were unusually or dangerously overcrowded.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 5: The Opening of the Gates
When the order was given to open the exit gates at the Leppings Lane end of the stadium, was there any error or omission by the commanding officers in the control box which caused or contributed to the crush on the terrace?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether the commanding officers in the control box could and should have understood that the order would lead to large numbers of supporters entering and many of those supporters going down the central tunnel.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 6: Determination on Unlawful Killing Issue
Are you satisfied, so that you are sure, that those who died in the disaster were unlawfully killed?
Answer: Yes
:: Question 7: Behaviour of the Supporters
Was there any behaviour on the part of football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether some fans behaved in a way which was unusually forceful or resistant to police control, and whether a significant number of fans were without tickets in the area.
Answer: No
:: Question 8: Defects in Hillsborough Stadium
Were there any features of the design, construction and layout of the stadium which you consider were dangerous or defective and which caused or contributed to the disaster?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether or not the entrance area at the Leppings Lane end of the stadium had too few turnstiles for a capacity match for which segregation was necessary, and if capacity figures for the west terrace were correctly calculated and set when the stadium was issued its safety certificate in 1979.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 9: Licensing and Oversight of Hillsborough Stadium
Was there any error or omission in the safety certification and oversight of Hillsborough Stadium that caused or contributed to the disaster?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether the capacity of the west terrace should have been clarified, reconsidered and/or recalculated after any developments and changes to the stadium between 1979 and 1989, and if any concerns about any features should have been raised by the relevant authorities.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 10: Conduct of Sheffield Wednesday FC before the Day of the Match
Was there any error or omission by Sheffield Wednesday FC (and its staff) in the management of the stadium and/or preparation for the semi-final match on 15 April, 1989, which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed on the day of the match?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether the tickets issued by the club for the match were unclear or misleading, and if signs directing fans to the banks of turnstiles in Leppings Lane on the day were confusing.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 11: Conduct of Sheffield Wednesday FC on the Day of the Match
Was there any error or omission by Sheffield Wednesday FC (and its staff) on 15 April, 1989, which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation that developed at the Leppings Lane turnstiles and in the west terrace?
Answer: No
Q11a: Yes
:: Question 12: Conduct of Eastwood & Partners (Consultant Engineers to Sheffield Wednesday FC)
Should Eastwood & Partners have done more to detect and advise on any unsafe or unsatisfactory features of Hillsborough Stadium which caused or contributed to the disaster.
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether or not Eastwood & Partners correctly calculated capacity figures for the west terrace areas in 1979, and the reasons for any errors of calculation.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 13: Emergency Response and the Role of the South Yorkshire Police
After the crush in the west terrace had begun to develop, was there any error or omission by the police which caused or contributed to the loss of lives in the disaster?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including whether or not police officers (including commanding officers) could and should have appreciated a crush was developing and taken steps to relieve it at an earlier stage, and whether they reacted appropriately and promptly to what they could see in those pens.
Answer: Yes
:: Question 14: Emergency Response and the Role of the South Yorkshire Metropolitan Ambulance Service (SYMAS)
After the crush in the west terrace had begun to develop, was there any error or omission by the ambulance service (SYMAS) which caused or contributed to the loss of lives in the disaster?
Jurors were advised to consider factors including the overall number of casualties requiring assessment and/or treatment and the effect of the mass casualty situation on the arrangements that could reasonably be made.
Answer: Yes