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Dead and Bury'd - Dancingwilldoit - 08-08-2019
What on earth is going on with Bury?
How many other teams have been allowed the number of extended deadlines they have?
If they cant fulfill their fixtures, why are they not just kicked out of the league?
3 games now suspended, a 12 point deduction and as far as I can make out only 11 players on the books who they cant pay, entered into a CVA with creditors who wont get paid if they dont play matches.
Its a mess that the EFL have allowed to happen. They really do need to sort themselves out.
RE: Dead and Bury'd - SaltergateBorn - 08-08-2019
Ironic, isn`t it, that Phil and Gary Neville - who`ve put so much into Salford City - both hail from Bury; in fact, wasn`t their father a director there some years ago? I`d imagine it must niggle Bury fans no end to think how much they could have done for their home town club but, for reasons best known to them, chose not to.
Looking at things from a totally selfish viewpoint (potentially, anyway) if Bury are kicked out of the EFL does that mean that there`ll be an extra promotion place up for grabs from the National League this year?
RE: Dead and Bury'd - Dancingwilldoit - 08-08-2019
Dont know about an extra team going up SGB but I did wonder if Bury did go whether Salford would up sticks like Wimbledon were allowed to do.
An empty stadium a few mile up the road must be a bit of a draw.
RE: Dead and Bury'd - themaclad - 08-08-2019
Bolton possibly still in danger of folding as well but don't worry the Prem starts tomorrow
RE: Dead and Bury'd - spireitematt - 08-08-2019
Apparently 3 would go down from L1 instead of 4 if Bury go under. Bury have got 14 days to sort it out otherwise they will be expelled from the Football League and I guess they would have to start a phoenix club in the North West Counties League.
I agree with how the Germans do it where clubs in Germany have to be 51% owned by the fans and the fans elect a chairman and they can say how much ticket prices will be. The socialist fan owned clubs can work but they need a plan and everyone has to pull in the same direction.
Maclad it's not the Premier League clubs job to give money to clubs which are cash strapped. The only way that Premier League clubs can help lower league clubs is by buying players in the lower divisions instead of buying players from abroad. Managers of Premier League clubs would rather go out and buy a French striker for a few million who has scored 30 goals in Ligue 1 instead of going into L1/L2 or even the National League to find a young player English or British player. A lot of this is to do with the Premier League clubs managers or scouts who don't have the knowledge of these divisions. The blame also lies with TV rights and the FA because not enough money in the Premier League goes back into grassroots football and that's the biggest problem.
RE: Dead and Bury'd - SaltergateBorn - 09-08-2019
I understand what you`re saying about 3 coming down from League 1, Matt, but surely if Bury are expelled from the EFL that`s going to leave 91 clubs overall; so an extra 1 has to be found from somewhere. The ripple would go all the way down the pyramid to whatever level Bury (or its reincarnation in whatever form) slotted back in, I`d have thought.
This probably seems like a large dose of schadenfreude on my part, but it`s really not. I`ve been to Gigg Lane a few times over the years and always enjoyed the place (although not always the result, to be fair). A welcoming place and a decent bunch of supporters who I feel desperately sorry for, as i do Bolton fans as well. It`s not the fault of the supporters when a club gets into a financial mess. In Bolton`s case, maybe both, it just shows how blurred the dividing line can be between ambition and financial recklessness.
I think there are a lot of clubs below the Premiership who are walking a financial tightrope. I know it`s not the responsibility of the Premier League clubs to subsidise them, but least when the F A (and I`m not saying that they`re perfect by any means) ran the whole show, there was at least some distribution of wealth over the league as a whole. There isn`t now; and the influx of foreign players that you mention, Matt, has just exacerbated the situation. I`ve been banging on for years that there ought to be a restriction on the number of overseas players in the Premier League – for the sake of the England team, if nothing else – which would achieve a level of redistribution through natural market forces.
Unfortunately, EU ‘freedom of employment` legislation makes that very difficult to bring about and there`s no way around that. Absolutely none.
Oh........hang on. Wait a minute.......well, alright, until Hallowe`en, then.
RE: Dead and Bury'd - spireitematt - 09-08-2019
(09-08-2019, 08:40)SaltergateBorn Wrote: I understand what you`re saying about 3 coming down from League 1, Matt, but surely if Bury are expelled from the EFL that`s going to leave 91 clubs overall; so an extra 1 has to be found from somewhere. The ripple would go all the way down the pyramid to whatever level Bury (or its reincarnation in whatever form) slotted back in, I`d have thought.
This probably seems like a large dose of schadenfreude on my part, but it`s really not. I`ve been to Gigg Lane a few times over the years and always enjoyed the place (although not always the result, to be fair). A welcoming place and a decent bunch of supporters who I feel desperately sorry for, as i do Bolton fans as well. It`s not the fault of the supporters when a club gets into a financial mess. In Bolton`s case, maybe both, it just shows how blurred the dividing line can be between ambition and financial recklessness.
I think there are a lot of clubs below the Premiership who are walking a financial tightrope. I know it`s not the responsibility of the Premier League clubs to subsidise them, but least when the F A (and I`m not saying that they`re perfect by any means) ran the whole show, there was at least some distribution of wealth over the league as a whole. There isn`t now; and the influx of foreign players that you mention, Matt, has just exacerbated the situation. I`ve been banging on for years that there ought to be a restriction on the number of overseas players in the Premier League – for the sake of the England team, if nothing else – which would achieve a level of redistribution through natural market forces.
Unfortunately, EU ‘freedom of employment` legislation makes that very difficult to bring about and there`s no way around that. Absolutely none.
Oh........hang on. Wait a minute.......well, alright, until Hallowe`en, then.
If Bury get expelled then 3 will come down from L1. In L2, 4 teams go up, 3 automatic and one playoffs. 23rd will either stay up in L2 or the National League will have another promotion place. If Bolton went under then the whole thing would be a lot more complicated.
RE: Dead and Bury'd - SaltergateBorn - 10-08-2019
That`s quite complicated enough already thanks, Matt.
RE: Dead and Bury'd - Devongone - 10-08-2019
I wonder if that is the first time "schadenfreude" has been used on this site? I'm not sure the FA would understand the word, but they might adopt the emotion as a mission statement once they'd had it explained.
I like Bury. Their fans like Bolton's don't deserve what is happening, but we do all bear some responsibility for our clubs' propensity for self harm. We demand success and to get it we demand expenditure, I was as bad as anyone until in recent years Chesterfield's different travails have led me to scour lower-league information to propagate the notion that there is talent available for nothing or next to it which won't break the bank in wage demands either.
The FA is an outmoded and bureaucratic organisation which relies on the goodwill and good heart of ageing white men who genuinely love the game. The Premier League is almost its polar opposite. Its love for the game is outweighed by its love of money.
Unfortunately the FA's reaction to clubs in trouble like Bolton and Bury is not to throw the spare millions they've collected from Sky into shoring up the drowning clubs ....... because unlike the Premier League they haven't made those spare millions and yet are responsible for the whole future of the game in this country. So the FA's response to Bolton and Bury becomes more like waterboarding them. The FA are horrified by clubs in this situation and just step up their demands and, though it seems potentially helpful that they put off the inevitable for a couple of weeks, all they're really doing is pouring more water down the throats of drowning victims. Meanwhile Bury and Bolton splutter out the names of sometimes made-up potential benefactors who might just one day knock the door down pockets bulging to save them from their fate.
Unless in some way the Premier League and the FA come together to act in the best interests of all football in England, Bury and Bolton will just become minor footnotes, casualties in the fight to the death between big capital and what was invented as just a game. I take no joy in the potential demise of two fellow strugglers. What happens to us when Mr Allen dies? Do we become death duties? Will he bequeath us to a rather baffled niece in Buenos Aires?
RE: Dead and Bury'd - SaltergateBorn - 10-08-2019
It may or may not be the first time the word`s been used, Dev, but I can guarantee that the sentiment has been expressed more times than a few; it`s one that most football followers - myself included - are very susceptible to, sadly.