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Should SG Keep His Job - St Charles Owl - 15-11-2014
Ok, England game out of the way with just a friendly against one of Europes minnows to come on Wednesday, so i thought now would be a good time to open a poll to see where we stand on our current Head Coach.
Obviously he is still in his job as we speak, and I assume he will be at least through the game against the Village, but what do we want to see after that? Take a look at the poll and vote, and then lets debate it!!
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - Offshore Owl - 15-11-2014
As I've said previously he's uninspiring and has no tactical nowse, opposing managers know what to expect well in advance and plan for it.
Of course not wanting to lose to the village, I expect us to and hopefully SG will be given his well deserved UB 40 shortly after.
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - Lord Snooty - 15-11-2014
Not before you play us. Sick of playing teams that have just sacked their manager.
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - St Charles Owl - 15-11-2014
(15-11-2014, 23:53)Lord Snooty Wrote: Not before you play us. Sick of playing teams that have just sacked their manager.
We seem to have had a run of situations like that over the past few seasons!!! I think you are safe with this one though, but a defeat to you guys could be the final straw!!
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - Thurnscoe_OWL - 16-11-2014
(15-11-2014, 06:07)Imre varadi Wrote: and i tell you now if i hear as much as a sparrow fart from the village next week there will be shit
(15-11-2014, 23:53)Lord Snooty Wrote: Not before you play us. Sick of playing teams that have just sacked their manager.
for what it's worth I would give SG until just after the Wolves game. Up to now (forgetting Toy Town cos they always put up a fight) we've been playing teams on the up, we have 3 games coming up against teams in similar/worse form as us (Hudders, Wigan, Wolves) and Blackburn who have been hit and miss. All 4 are winnable but no wins and poor performances and he should be gone.
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - St Charles Owl - 16-11-2014
(16-11-2014, 01:32)Thurnscoe_OWL Wrote: for what it's worth I would give SG until just after the Wolves game. Up to now (forgetting Toy Town cos they always put up a fight) we've been playing teams on the up, we have 3 games coming up against teams in similar/worse form as us (Hudders, Wigan, Wolves) and Blackburn who have been hit and miss. All 4 are winnable but no wins and poor performances and he should be gone.
So are you saying he only goes if we lose all the games?? What if we win one and lose 3, would that keep him in the job for you? Its difficult to put a win-loss ratio on someones job as you could lose or win a game for completely fluke reasons. Maybe if you are giving him 4 games, we look at the perfromances and our poistion at the end of it??
For me, if we do not win at the Village, then he should be gone as that will move us further down the table and closer to the relegation spots. MM has to arrest the slide we are in before we get in the shit, rather than bringing in some to get us out of it!! So we have to move up the table over the next couple of games or he should be out.
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - Thurnscoe_OWL - 16-11-2014
(16-11-2014, 03:49)St Charles Owl Wrote:(16-11-2014, 01:32)Thurnscoe_OWL Wrote: for what it's worth I would give SG until just after the Wolves game. Up to now (forgetting Toy Town cos they always put up a fight) we've been playing teams on the up, we have 3 games coming up against teams in similar/worse form as us (Hudders, Wigan, Wolves) and Blackburn who have been hit and miss. All 4 are winnable but no wins and poor performances and he should be gone.
So are you saying he only goes if we lose all the games?? What if we win one and lose 3, would that keep him in the job for you? Its difficult to put a win-loss ratio on someones job as you could lose or win a game for completely fluke reasons. Maybe if you are giving him 4 games, we look at the perfromances and our poistion at the end of it??
For me, if we do not win at the Village, then he should be gone as that will move us further down the table and closer to the relegation spots. MM has to arrest the slide we are in before we get in the shit, rather than bringing in some to get us out of it!! So we have to move up the table over the next couple of games or he should be out.
Yeah that's more what I meant. I'd say we/he needs at least 6/7 points from these 4 games otherwise he's gone.
2 wins (soonish) and our season of possible play off chasers is back on track
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - madsteve - 16-11-2014
We are on a slide that will see us relegated if SG stays.
SG did well as caretaker manager but since has floundered. He finished last season with one win in eight. Add that to four wins in 17 this season and it's five wins in 25. Also I haven't forgiven him for that inept performance against Charlton in the cup where he blew our chance of getting to Wembley by playing 442.
I think we have to differentiate between what SG deserves & what is best for Wednesday. Maybe SG deserves more time but if we give him more time it will blow our chances of making the Playoffs completely and leave us on the brink of relegation. By making a move now, SG can probably still hold his head high & go back to being a coach, saying that he left us mid-table rather than on the brink of relegation.
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - Devongone - 16-11-2014
A ridiculously high percentage of football managers who are sacked NEVER get the chance to try again elsewhere, yet football fans tend to discuss their potential demise with all the empathy you'd display when fetching the Raid to a bluebottle.
I'm not getting at Wednesday here, but the game is a disaster in terms of management. People are thrust into a position in which generally they have little or no experience, and if they fail, or become unpopular, or say the wrong thing, or fail to become the equivalent of the Chairman's favourite son, they are on their way. Hopefully during freefall they can grab hold of a coaching post to slow their plummet to earth ...... but some are never sighted again. And all too often their demise is heightened by panic-stricken fans for whom the grass is mostly greener.
How bad would it be if Wednesday went down again for a season? You'd recover. How likely does a play-off place look to any of you, even if you ditch your manager? Most people would look at your club and think it ought to be in the Premiership, but I haven't heard anyone say anything like that about individual players, or your current team.
You might dream of a Brian Clough coming in and transforming a powderpuff midfielder into an all-action tackling demon, but it's comic book stuff. In reality a new manager is going to need a bit of time to transform you. Change now, tempt your new manager to dive through the January window and you'll probably pull out a few misfits everyone else has been glad to see the back of ...... If you survive in the Championship you'll be starting a new season with lingering dissatisfaction, manager the equivalent of Judy Murray on Strictly.
Hang on, see what happens. If you've just somehow achieved safety towards the end of the season, or are already doomed that's the time to contemplate change. Get a new man or woman, white or black who has done the job before, and let them start when maybe they can see the wood for the trees. And maybe follow a plan rather than the random select button.
RE: Should SG Keep His Job - Thurnscoe_OWL - 16-11-2014
We're not doomed. We're stuck in a rut but are mid table, comfortably.
There are definitely at least 3 teams worse than us (Blackpool, Birmingham, Brighton and I bet Toy Town are down there come the end of the season).
Like I say, a couple of wins over the next few weeks and we're looking up again, no wins and we're sucked into a relegation battle