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Where would you go next? The search for a new Town manager. - jjamez - 30-01-2023
So it is fair unanimous that we are wanting Buzz to go off into infinity and possibly beyond. I will point out here and now, I have nothing against him as a person, I can't say I have taken to him at all, I just don't think he is suited to this job and believes his own hype way too much. He may go on to have a perfectly good coaching or managing career elsewhere, if so fair play to him. He's had a very poor hand dealt to begin with and struggled like anyone would, but as it's been getting better with regards to players coming back, the performances on the pitch haven't, his ramblings make it appear we have been close, but most the time, if we had been a horse, we'd have pulled up long ago, we're coming third in a two horse race half the time.
So where would we look? or more accurately what options are there. In my mind anyways, you can have your say. We may not look at any of the names that gets mentioned but its part of the fun I guess.
So we were rumoured to be interested in Carrick but Mr Bromby felt that Fotheringham was the better (cheaper) option, would I be against going for an coach who has never been the main man before? no, provided that their coaching history has more meat to the bones. Fotheringham had a six month spell at Hertha and then a couple of spells in the second and third division as an assistant, it wasn't really extensive, so how he padded it out on a CV to entice Bromby I don't know.
Lets look at the more inexperienced candidates that I personally would be willing to look towards.
Eric Ramsay- Man United. Younger than a fair few members of our squad, of yesterdays line up, I make Lowton, Lees, Hogg and Rhodes all older than him, but he does have decent pedigree behind him. Having started at Swansea as the U18s manager he also had a spell at Shrewsbury as assistant manager before moving to Chelsea as an under 23s coach for a couple of seasons where he would have coached players like Hudson-Odoi, Tino Anjorin, Jon Russell and Loftus-Cheek to name a few, with Lampard and Tuchel as manager whilst he was there. He left and moved on to Manchester United where he has been a first team coach under Ten Hag, Ole and Rangnick. He's been credited as being good with coaching set pieces and developing players. He was one of the names linked initially with the Blackpool job. Some more about him can be found here https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/eric-ramsay-manchester-united-chelsea/
Anthony Barry- Chelsea/ Belgium. Another with links to Chelsea, Barry's playing career saw him bounce around the lower leagues before retiring and becoming Paul Cooks assistant manager at Wigan for 3 years. He left to join Chelsea as a first team assistant manager, working under Tuchel, Lampard and now Potter as well as having a spell as Republic of Ireland assistant manager and Belgium's assistant manager under Roberto Martinez. He was one of the names linked when Schofield left but it was reported that he would be unavailable to take over until after the world cup. It has not been said whether he is following Martinez to Portugal, but it would seem that making his first steps into first team management is soon to be on the cards. He is credited as being the brains behind Chelsea's champions league victory. The Daily Mail reported that he turned us down in favour of Belgium and that we were going to appoint Wagner...They was wrong...but Barry would be an interesting option now
Liam Manning- Former MK Dons manager, he had them playing nice football and on the periphery of getting back into the Championship but fell at the play off hurdle. His side was built around good loanees and good up coming players, but they moved on during the summer and were not replaced. Manning failed to replicate the form of the season before and was sacked with the side in a relegation battle. Sounds familiar doesn't it? He won 41 of his 83 games in charge of MK Dons so he shouldn't be tarred by this one bad season, before Milton Keynes he had a decent spell in charge of Lommel in Belgium as well as being academy manager at New York City and West Ham prior to that. Still young, he could quite possibly build something if given the chance to develop our good young players like Diarra.
Moving on to the more experienced candidates at this level
Dean Smith- Was getting called dino Dean by some Norwich fans, but with where we are, a bit of prehistoric bite might not go amiss. Began managing at Walsall where his sides played decent football but was maybe hampered by the size of the club compared to others around it. He moved on to Brentford where, again, his sides played decent football and were starting to make play off noises in the Championship before moving onto Aston Villa where he managed to get them promoted to the Premier League via the play offs and keep them there, but the owners went down a different road after an indifferent start to last season and he was replaced by Gerrard. SMith would move to Norwich where he failed to keep them in the league and instead would try and build a side to bounce back. They started the season well but drifted off and he was ultimately hounded out by the fans not long after christmas and replaced by mr Wagner.
Chris Wilder- worked wonders with Sheffield United getting them promoted from league one up to the premier League via the championship. Keeping United in the prem was an achievement equally as impressive as Wagner keeping us up there. Before United he managed Northampton to promotion from league two despite financial issues and before then he brought Oxford back into the football league. His time at Middlesbrough didn't yield the results he'd have wanted and he was replaced by carrick. He still managed a 40% win ratio, it was more a results to money spent problem that cost him his job this season.
Mark Warburton- currently a first team coach at West ham, but I'd imagine he'd have some sort of break clause to allow him to become the main man again. His managerial career to me says always the bridesmaid rather than the bride as he flirts with the play offs but never quite makes it. His time at QPR saw them being a steady away outfit but the fans began to want more. Before that at forest he fell foul of an owner who chopped and changed more than a catwalk model does outfits. Again they were more midtable but the fawaz al-hasawi had dreams of premier league and Europe. Before forest he had done a decent job at rangers, winning the league and cup, and left unceremoniously, he also got Brentford promoted to the championship and essentially started the ball rolling there.
Valarien Ishmael- we saw what he did with Barnsley and it's the sort of thing that would have to happen here if we can't afford much to spend. His time at West brom showed his style doesn't always translate, his most recent job was at besiktas and whilst he's been sacked, it would be unfair to label him a poor manager, his record there wasn't bad, there's just a lot of chopping and changing in Turkish football.
Neil Warnock- is he an option?
As for lower league options
Paul Cook- began with a short spell at Southport before moving on to have a five year stay at Sligo. He guided Sligo to European football on a couple of occasions before moving to Accrington Stanley for a short stint. He'd move on quickly to chesterfield and eventually would guide them to the league two title, the next season he'd just miss out on back to back promotions. Town fans would recognize him more from his time at Wigan where he'd get them promoted to the championship, he left when they went into admin. He's currently at chesterfield again after a failed spell at Ipswich.
Karl Robinson- once a highly rated coach when at mk Dons, known for playing good possession football, his side would lose to us in the playoffs but eventually they would get promoted to the championship. He's lost his way a little at Charlton and now Oxford where they sit midtable in league one but could still be an option
Gareth Ainsworth- leather jacket and long hair, what's not to like? Did well with Wycombe in the championship and could have stayed up had the fa punished derby correctly. Seems to play effective football, would it work here and more importantly would he leave Wycombe?
Leam Richardson- got wigan promoted to the championship last season but struggled this season and was replaced by kolo toure who has already been replaced. I can't say much about him other than he knows how to get out of league one
As for some left field options, not as far left as Fotheringham mind
Stuart Pearce- I don't think he's a bad coach, he was most recently at West ham. He was doing well at forest before injuries struck their squad and they tailed off. Probably not a long term option, but a known leader during his playing days with previous of coaching England's under 21s there probably a lot worse out there. He could probably make the left back spot his too.
Nigel Clough- very left field for me, but has always done well with little money or quality at his disposal. Upset the odds to get Burton to the championship and beat us at the John Smith's. He shouldn't even be a candidate, but after what's gone on this season he's definitely no worse.
Alan Pardew- 7 year contracts are few and far between and the Alan pardew that got that deal is long gone, but once upon a time he was a good manager that got things out of players and was able to find good players in places that wasn't always scouted. Has disappeared onto the continent of late, but a short term save us deal would probably suit both parties.
John Herdman- who? An English manager what guided Canada to the world cup, both men and women's sides. Obviously a vastly unknown quantity at club level much like fotheringham was, but world cup and international experience shouldn't count for nothing. Could also appeal to any prospective North American buyers who may have more of an idea on what he has done.
Foreign options, well I do like the idea, but at the moment I don't really see us being viable to a foreign manager and vice versa. Unless they have managed over here before and are looking at getting back into the English Leagues like Lamouchi has done at Cardiff. If that is the case then the names would be the likes of Oscar Garcia and Javi Gracia for examples but I'm not sure they would be options.
RE: Where would you go next? - Lord Snooty - 30-01-2023
It'll be Kenny Miller.
RE: Where would you go next? - WakeyTerrier - 30-01-2023
Anthony Barry was interested in the job but he told the club he wouldn't be available until after the world cup.
Where the club goes from here to me depends on what the ambition the club has right now.
If it's purely short term and trying to stay in the Division then it's a short term appointment along the lines of Neil Warnock.
If they've written this season off then they'd be better going for someone younger but the minimum is they have experience in managing in this country.
The problem with MF is you just can't see any sort of game plan, even in defeats we don't a plan.
RE: Where would you go next? - jjamez - 30-01-2023
I agree with you wakey.
If I was picking a new manager, and what was said was keep us up if you can, if not rebuild and get us up next year, BUT, there has to be a clear and obvious game plan that the fans and players can see and get behind. Wagner did when he first came in, if we got relegated that first half season, he was going to manager in league one.
If it was that sort of case, I'd be picking Barry as my first choice, with wilder as my second, admittedly I'm intrigued by Ramsay and my gut says we are suited for Ishmael.
But considering where we are and the fact that his history does have him building good sides, I'd call Boro a blip, or hope it is, I'd probably say wilder even if he's my second choice. If I had to number a few candidates though;
1. Barry
2. Wilder
3. Ishmael
4. Smith
5. Ramsay
Although I do feel a few of the other names could do a good job here
RE: Where would you go next? - Devongone - 30-01-2023
I don't think the rumours of a valuation for the club of £1 does you any favours in attracting the kind of manager you need. The hint of Philip-Greenery will put off any manager who values his own CV.
One candidate? really? I think you should forget is Paul Cook. A lovely player who succeeded in management, but I fear he has now drunk his own barrel dry. You seem like a club in need of the kind of root and branch changes you might have got had you been able to hang onto Corboran. Chesterfield have achieved the kind of change the club most needed in ownership, but we needed to match that by root and branch changes on the playing side. Cookie is only interested in topiary. What you see is all he is ever going to give us. We might find a way back to the EFL on such shallow roots but, unlike Hartlepool, we'd need to be quick on our feet to realise vision was required to sustain it.
I think you need a man who is looking beyond a relegation struggle to a proper re-build. Of those you mention Ishmael and Wilder are capable of the depth of commitment required. Ainsworth is capable, but is determined not to look it.
RE: Where would you go next? - theo_luddite - 03-02-2023
Said it before, I'll say it again - Pete Wild.
The problem is we've now got a shitty end to both ends of the stick as we've let the befuddled one hang around like a bad smell for far too long when we could have let someone with a clue have a go.
Finishing 4th from bottom is sadly once again going to look like an achievement when mid-table mediocrity was supposedly our aim and achievable. Finishing below the trap door is far more likely for whoever is sitting on the porcelain throne come (what) May.
RE: Where would you go next? - Lord Snooty - 08-02-2023
I've stickied this thread to be the official next manager thread.
RE: Where would you go next? The search for a new Town manager. - theo_luddite - 08-02-2023
Miller went too, he made one helluva'n impression on our scoring. Anyone else think this website is slow today?
RE: Where would you go next? The search for a new Town manager. - Lord Snooty - 08-02-2023
Yes. I've emailed Stairs. Has it improved at all?
Seeing as it took ages for that to post. No it hasn't.
RE: Where would you go next? The search for a new Town manager. - jjamez - 09-02-2023
Glad its not just me. Just changed internet to this super fast malarkey and it feels slower
I've whipped the hamster a few times to give it a boost... I don't have a hamster btw